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Carrying a gun when canoe traveling just because

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What a lovely Holiday message.
Would also take umbrage along with the other fine members of this forum that use the Boundary Waters as to being referred to as “human refuse”.
 
Just a note on the venerable 30-30. That has been the preferred rifle for Indigenous hunters up here for many years. Countless moose and bears have fallen dead from 30 30 lead poisoning. Apparently moose and bears have gotten a lot tougher and only die now if you send some kind of magnum rocket at them.
 
There are lots of 30-30s in Native communities in Ak. They are often given as gifts at potlaches. But I think you would want something a lot heavier to stop a charging bear in a self defense situation. That being said I've carried a .357 S&W along with bear spray and called it good. Sometimes it's about peace of mind.
 
Buffalo Bore and some other manuf ammo are game changers. Thanks for the update.
I have been shooting Model 94 for 60 years and own several of them.
For Alaska working every day , I carried a Marlin .444. Since then I acquired a Marlin Guide gun in .45/70. The modern actions can be loaded up.
There is no doubt that the old .30/30s show up everywhere in the North. It is easy to find ammo.
 
Depends where I'm going and who I'm with... but yes, I've carried a shotgun, especially when with my young daughter. I have a dim view of what others can do to me, though I have seldom been afraid of most of my fellow canoe trippers, especially "way back".
 
I carry a gun pretty much everywhere I go, but I work in a profession that has taught me the necessary reasons to do so. When hunting in grizzly, moose , or big cat country I also carry a handgun as a last ditch effort to survive something as horrific as being mauled or stomped to death. I have first hand knowledge of how quickly they can be on you and why you need to have a plan. These two guys were in condition white having a great day without a care in the world that could have ended tragically had THAT bear been aggressive. I'm not a back seat quarterback and I respect everyone's opinion as to what it takes to make them feel safe when enjoying the outdoors but I will say this. If you are in a place where you thought you needed a shotgun and bear spray bad enough to bring it, I would at least have it within reach. and lastly I can tell you this. If you are ever in a spot where you need bear spray or a firearm it will be the most important item you have ever needed in your life.
 
Honestly, there are worst ways to die. I used to carry a 348 Winchester in grizzily country. I have a shotgun that hasn't been out in years. Now I figure, while it would ruin my day, it's a better way to go than most deaths I've witnessed, and much less weight to carry.
 
Black Fly,
I have carried a Model 71 Winchester in .348 a few times in places like Montana and Alaska. One of the great rifles ever made.
I got one from my great uncle who bought it new in the 1930s.

Bear spray is under rated.
 
Honestly, there are worst ways to die. I used to carry a 348 Winchester in grizzily country. I have a shotgun that hasn't been out in years. Now I figure, while it would ruin my day, it's a better way to go than most deaths I've witnessed, and much less weight to carry.

Black Fly, your decision change with regard to firearms appears to be similar to mine.

I assess the risk and place a value on injury or death to myself and others. Death is inevitable and with age my personal assessed value has decreased. I will continue to carry bear spray but I no long feel compelled to carry a firearm for my personal protection.

When I invited inexperienced friends or children on remote trips I felt a sense of trust and obligation to do my best to ensure their safety. Unarmed I considered myself a poor match against aggressive or predator animal.
 
I am pretty sure ticks or tick borne diseases are going to get a lot of us, as will some of the advice we get from our fellow paddlers in regard to caliber of firearm. I would suggest spraying down with a good bug repellent, one that kills ticks. After it dries, a good overcoat with Bear Spray should keep you safe. Periodically throughout the day refresh both.
Chances are you will die from cancer, heart disease, another car running a red light or stop sign or the most embarrassing death of all, a slip and fall in a bath tub. Anyone that finds you will then see what your problem was.
 
Fatalism is unbecoming.
My Dad is 97. I plan to stick around.
I respect the opinions on this page more than nearly all others.
Have you ever crawled around in the alders with a coastal brownie?
 
Fatalism is unbecoming.
My Dad is 97. I plan to stick around.
I respect the opinions on this page more than nearly all others.
Have you ever crawled around in the alders with a coastal brownie?
uh. Probably.. We found bear hairs and two deer deceased and mostly bones but not all.. It was time to get back on the water. Not sticking around for the ursus census.

Camp raided in the Arctic by an inland brownie. We had our food far far away and on waking could see him rummaging in the food packs. Yelling and banging helped; he left. We did have shotguns though , no need to use them. He got five or six bagels.

Just a bear story.. It is a lot of fun to watch them when salmon are spawning and dying.. HyderAK has a walkway secured where you can watch from above.
 
I conducted foot salmon surveys all over Alaska for the Alaska Department of Fish & Game Commercial Fisheries Division. There are lot’s of bears on salmon streams. I carried my own 375 H&H magnum Sako full stock carbine or the Department issued 870 Remington twelve gauge buck barreled shotgun with slugs. Did the mandatory charging bear target every time it was available. Never fired a shot on the job, at a bear, never had to, never wanted to shoot a bear. I did have to chamber around many times. I made myself as big as I could, from my six foot, one and a half inch, two hundred, twenty pound frame. I also talked to them in a loud, stern and as calm a voice that I could manage. I also counted salmon from the back seat of Super Cub aircraft, which was more dangerous in my mind. Flying low and slow kills more people in Alaska each year than bears do. Both jobs were extremely intense work that fed a appetite of a young adrenaline Junkie. Once our rural area had a bear breaking into chicken houses, barns and dog food sheds of dog mushers and eating domestic animal food. It followed me out once while I was feeding my horses. My wife was afraid to let our young children play outside. The common thought in the neighborhood was it was a garbage black bear that had hit the mother lode of good eats. One evening in late August, as the sun was setting, I walked out to the hay shed to get hay for the last feeding of the horses. As I approached the hay shed a dark bear walked into my driveway as though it was coming for a visit. As we all know, all bears are big in the dark and there are no small live bears. This guy was pretty big, I slipped back to the house, got my 375 H&H Magnum, loaded it with 300 grain Barnes copper bullets, then tiptoe’d back towards the hay shed. Out of the hay shed stepped the bear looked at me the slowly walked away. I gave him a Texas heart shot that cartwheeled him across the driveway it then staggered away into the ditch then into the encroaching alders. My neighbor came over with a half dead flash light and his short barreled shotgun. We formed a skirmish line, advancing slowly for thirty feet. There was the dead bear, but in the light of the dim flash light, it went from a black bear to the darkest of grizzly bears. The next day at the Fish & Game necropsy the bear weight was 503 lbs without blood, was extremely skinny with no fat and a mostly healed fracture of the right forearm. One of the bear biologists, John Hecktel was ecstatic that he finally had a complete Grizzly bear skeleton with no broken bones from bullets.
Moral of the story: I never wanted to shoot a bear, I have never shot another and hope I never have to again.
I only hunt grouse now in my dotage and shoot the occasional pine squirrel that wants to move into my house. Shooting a moose is just to much work for a old man.
 
Life in the North. I used to do hydrology studies in SE Alaska on salmon streams. Stream gauging and water quality. Bears were always around. We could herd the salmon with the prop wash on the helicopter. I had the safety off several times but never fired a shot. After awhile it seemed normal and we understood bear behavior much better. Make noise especially in the brush and around rapids. Avoid eye contact. Give bears a way out. Back away slowly.

In the deep bush on the Coast of the Mainland we had 150 inches of rain in old growth Sitka spruce and western hemlock forests. It was common to encounter bears at close range like 50-70 yards because the veg is so dense. Body language is everything. Let them know you are coming. We usually worked with two people in a crew. Sometimes I worked alone but never liked it. I feel much more comfortable with a dog around on guard when I am solo.

There were bear tracks in the sagebrush behind the house this year for the first time due to fires and the drought. The problem bears at Lake Tahoe are air lifted and dropped in the Pine Nut Range out beyond the sage. Having my BC Ruby changes everything.
 
I'll tell you what, there is no need for a gun if you can trip with a cat. I've told this story before, so in summary........we have bears in our yards every year up here, no big deal. One year when I lived in town, a really big sow was coming by nightly, and was getting a little too friendly.

I had been at the bar and had a few too many wobbly pops, staggered up the steps around 1 AM. We had a big white cat that hated the bear, it would sit on the window ledge and puff up to twice it's size, making horrible cat noises. So anyway, on the night in question, after getting home, the bear arrived on my steps again, and not being quite in my right mind, I grabbed the cat and threw it at the bear's head. I don't think I have ever witnessed such natural fury, or such panic and cowardice. The cat was like some kind of cartoon windmill, with claws and feet flashing at light speed, black hair flying every where, and the bear took off running like the devil itself was on it. The cat came ambling back shortly afterwards, quite proud of itself, and uninjured. The bear took a break from our place for a while.

This is the same bear that I nailed with a full can of diet coke right between the eyes, and it didn't even move, just licked the diet coke as it slid down his face. Also fought it one night with a bicycle pump (it was the only thing at hand).

We live a little out of town now, but we still get lots of bears. One tore up the outside of my garage this summer. There was a sow and two cubs who were completely fearless. I shot several bear bangers right at them, they looked at me like they were bored.

Gotta get me another white cat.
 
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