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Who still brings axes?

Just to lay any speculation to rest, and stay somewhat on topic, shown below is my little Oxhead, covered with a work of art from OM. This is my solo tripping axe. When travelling in groups, where a lot of splitting is required, I take a full size axe.
 
That's a fascinating story about that old axe Memequay. It'd be interesting to do some research on it's origins and age. What a treasure to own, if it were an old HBC item. Regardless, it could still be an old tool "reborn" with a new handle. (OM does gorgeous leatherwork)
Rippy, you owe me a clean shirt.
 
Rippy, you owe me a clean shirt.

I owe you a clean shirt and Mem an apology. Sorry Mem, I couldn't help myself. I get carried away sometimes. I need some warmer weather so I can get out to the garage and away from the computer. Than you all will be safe from the madness of Rippy.

PS Brad, just have the coffee drinking cat throw it in the dishwasher for now.

PSS (The shirt not the oxhead.)
 
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Back to the subject. The hatchet I carry is of the short handle variety about 12 inches long. This makes it worthless for any man size chopping projects. I use it for splitting fire wood up to about 6" diameter . To split wood I use it as a wedge and beat it with a piece of fire wood about 2.5"-3" that I use as a mallet. This works allot better then it seems like it would. But not better then a real axe of coarse. I do this sitting down on a camp stool so I don't have to bend over. I can't bend over for long, I covered that in another thread. I also use my hatchet to drive tent stakes in for my hammock tarp. I hang my food barrel at night and when it comes time to throw the rope over a limb I tie it to the hatchet and throw it over the limb. I realize this sounds stupid and probably looks stupider, but it's kind of a fun game for me and I'm kind of a thrill seeker anyway. Besides it's kind of like the saying if a tree falls in the woods and there's nobody there does it make a noise. If you didn't see me do it it didn't really happen. I do have the leather sheath on when throwing it in the air. TTFN
 
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You're right Rippy, an axe with more "heft" and longer handle splits wood easier than it's littler cousin the hatchet, though I own both. I bought, and carried a hatchet, to see how I'd like it. I do like it, but I'm considering a forest axe in the middling size, in between hatchet and full size axe, so to speak. I almost bought myself one for Christmas, but thought the $ would be better spent elsewhere, on someone else. It always is. Besides, how do you gift wrap an axe?
Don't worry about my coffee stained shirts, I just have to be more careful. I was eating spaghetti just last week while on the internet. I'm a sloppy slurper, and shared my homemade tomato sauce with the laptop. My wife caught me trying to lick the keyboard.
It seems I need to get out more.

ps Can a person own too many axes? I think I'll be happy with 3.
 
This has nothing to do with axemanship on a canoe trip but rather for home use. Seems like a way to split your hand too.. but very inventive
[video]http://www.wimp.com/choppingfirewood/[/video]
 
Boy, Yellow Canoe, I agree with you about the split hand thing. I'm sure the guy using that splitter thinks that he's got it covered, but it doesn't matter how many cords of wood you've split, all it takes is once and something is missing. That machine is a prefect example of "an accident waiting to happen".

Brad, Nope three will never be enough! Check out the Husqvarna Multi purpose forest axe. The head is 1.9 pounds and 26" handle. I bought that Husqvarna carpenters axe and put the longer handle on it. The head and the steel in it are first class. There was nothing wrong with the handle, I just wanted a longer one. I've used it a bunch this winter and I'm really happy with it. The forest axe is listed with Baileysonline.com for seventy (!) dollars. I've been trying to think of some reason I need one, no luck so far but I'll keep trying.

Memaquay, my friend, are you sure you want to use that HBC axe? I can hear the groaning of history buffs all over North America!

What a heck of a thread!! I just checked: 2336 people have looked at it! Maybe we ought to dredge up the one about "Bear attacks" or .....what were those others that got people interested? But did you notice; danged old February is now history!!

Best Wishes, Rob
 
OK, so dug around in my shop and found the old axe head. Doesn't look like much, it's a peculiar thing too. Weighed in at just shy of 4 pounds. 6.5 inches long, 4 1/4 between points of blade. Despite the corrosion, etc, it still has a pretty good edge on it.




Looks like it was used to pound a fair bit


Inside view


So what do you guys think? Worth saving? Rippy and OM, how would I go about grinding the surface down past the nastiness?
 
I'm a bit suspect of the wood splitting device in the video yellowcanoe posted. Did you check out how straight grained that wood was? I wonder how well it would have really worked if the grain was twisted or there was a knot in the wood? I think that might be when the person's hand might really be in jeopardy :(

That's all for now. Take care and until next time...Be well.

snapper
 
Mem! Don't polish that axe head yet. See if there's a museum curator who might be interested in taking a look at it. Or perhaps, try some internet history digging yourself. Without any discernible markings, it might be difficult to trace it's manufacture and history, but it might be worth a try. This may be a start. http://www.thespiritoftheoldwest.com/AAA-FurTrade.htm It could be a fascinating investigation. If you do the research, please keep us informed.
re: YC's video. I've worked in factories, and some of it involved machinery of various types. I agree, that you can't be too careful. In this guy's wood splitting world, I'd suggest he try Heikki's tire method. I'm serious. It would help to keep his hands away from the wood block. Some kind of positional hold for the wood, that would allow a near hands free operation could be far safer. Anyway, the word through the grapevine is, that fella in the video came up with that wood splitting contraption because, (wait for it) he gets dizzy dancing around in circles. Okay, that time I was joking.
 
Essential for what?

I've never owned an axe in my life. On my 11 acres of property at home I cut a lot of trees, branches and brush, but always with a chainsaw, pruning saw or machete.
I live just up the road Glenn, and we have 14 acres. I'm pretty good with my Husky, but I don't head out without a few shims and an ax. Pinched chain, maybe help a tree fall the way you want. Just can't see a tree cutter who doesn't carry an ax and wedges.
 
I live just up the road Glenn, and we have 14 acres. I'm pretty good with my Husky, but I don't head out without a few shims and an ax. Pinched chain, maybe help a tree fall the way you want. Just can't see a tree cutter who doesn't carry an ax and wedges.

The topic is the whether an axe, in the OP's language, is "essential" for canoe trips of the average kind that the members here may take. The topic is not how we heat our homes in winter or clear our back acreage.

An axe is not essential nor even desirable for any canoe trip I have ever taken. I don't go into remote forest wilderness for weeks at a time and have never had any need to chop anything with an axe. Because I canoe in mostly warmer times and climes, I rarely even make a fire. Too lazy. When I do make fires, I have never needed anything more than a knife and a folding saw. Natives who live in rain forests around the world most commonly use machetes to to clear land and split wood. The machete is a tool that is very undervalued if not unknown by canoeists, and I would recommend it a more versatile and safer tool than an axe for splitting kindling or clearing brushy trails on a canoe trip for those who, unlike me, do such things.

Though irrelevant, what we use to clear land at home depends on what kinds of implements one happens happen to like. I agree that you can take down a tree with an axe and wedges, as we used to do with big pines in Maine 60 years ago, but I have done everything I need to do over the past 20 years with a chain saw, pruning saw and machete. (And a bush hog on my tractor.) I have hired professional tree surgeons to fell big trees near my house and they did everything with a chainsaw. I've also never seen a road crew in Connecticut taking down trees and limbs with anything other than a chainsaw, including a six foot diameter sycamore across the street from me.

Whatever one's favorite tree felling implement, which can vary from person to person, I don't see cutting big trees to be something related to canoe trips.

I don't care if some posters here have a love affair with axes and want to talk about them in comparative, historical and photographic detail. I like non-canoeing threads.

I only jumped in to get back to the OP's specific canoeing topic: whether an axe is an essential piece of equipment for the average range of canoe trips, especially those trips that newbie readers may be contemplating. My answer, which is based on more than 60 years of warmer weather paddling all over North America by myself (solo), with others, and with various groups such as the Sierra Club, Appalachian Mountain Club and Adirondack Mountain Club, is a definitive NO.

Very, very little is "essential" for a satisfying canoe trip -- including, for example, lightweight carbon fiber canoes and paddles, electronic gadgets and gizmos, or booze. JMO.
 
Well Memaquay, it probably wouldn't hurt to check to see if that axe is worth something, after all who knows? But at four pounds I wouldn't want to swing it. Our ox-head axe heads are two and a half pounds, I find that plenty and wouldn't want anymore on the end of my axe handle. It might be fun for you to check out the axes at traditionalwoodworker.com
So the ugly answer my friend, is I wouldn't try to clean something that heavy up and use it.

I'm sorry Rob, the other Rob
 
Well Memequay, your axe head find excited me too much to sit still, so I Googled around. That axe head doesn't resemble any HBC trade axe I could find.
http://furtradetomahawks.tripod.com/id25.html
This youtube video shows the history of the HBC. Around the 8 minute mark the 1941 film segment shows a FN trapper at work. It reminds me of the Happy People of The Taiga film Rob recommended last year (which I much enjoyed). This guy's axe head looks just like Mem's BTW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slr0VgPJzdg
Here's a site for trade axe and tomahawk collectors.
http://tatcalite.tripod.com/id2.htm
 
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I like beefy things, my splitting maul is 8 pounds. Probably by the time I buff it down, it will be 3.5. I'm gonna talk to the auto guy tomorrow, see if he can set me up. If it turns out to be a mess, well so be it. I'm pretty sure it's not going to be worth anything historically, it's just an old axe head. It's the romance of the idea, bringing it back from the past.
 
Just a note…things found in the mud ranged through a wide time span. There was the barrel from an old musket, probably end of 1700's, the brass from old shotgun shells that were probably 1900-ish, some old tobacco tins…1920 ish….a wide range of dates, so no telling when the axe came from…well used though by the looks of it.
 
Very interesting stuff Mem. While internet google wandering, I came across collectors who "dump dig", i.e. they dig around old refuse piles of yesteryear, and come up with antique articles. It kinda reminds me of when I was a kid, I'd wander around the farm country here, and come across old dumps tucked away next to forest and field. There'd be everything from rusted Studebakers to medicine bottles. My Mom would pitch out everything I'd bring home. I'd tell my Dad about the old cars I'd find, and his eyes would light up...and then Mom would say NO!
Good luck with that find, it could be fun to bring it back from the past.
 
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