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Stuff you take and don't use

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Lets just say we were ready for anything on Lake Superior and Georgian Bay. We took
tarp
a bag of rope for all occasions
tarp poles
raincoats
rainhats
drysuits
fleece
more fleece
nylon long sleeve shirts
long underwear
wool hats
wool sox
gloves
sleeping bags of the warm kind
a rainfly for the tent
changes of clothing in case one got wet and cold.
a GPS in case there was fog.. wot fog?
We did not take a twig stove..good thing as there were fire bans


and we used NONE of them Lows were around 70 and highs around 95.. Jumping in both bodies of water was the only thing that saved us from baking..We wore the same quick dry clothing with cotton twill shirts for 10 days.
Tilley hats to soak and use as buckets to dump over head while paddling..

Now I am home unpacking all that stuff....:mad:

I know don't take and you can kill yourself..

How much have you taken and not use? First Aid kits don't count.. I hope you never have to use it.

What would have been nice....deer fly strips.. Must put that on the list for next year. The buggers were undeterred by DEET or two kinds of natural repellent.
 
I invariably take more clothing and toilet paper than I need. I bring a first aid kit and rain gear and hope I don't need either. I usually try to bring a little more food than I think I need, but I do recall one 2 week trip in Quetico when my wife and I were down to crumbs by the time we got back to Moose Lake. When base camping, I have often had a tarp and tent poles in the truck, but not set them up if the weather was nice. On river trips, I nearly always have some supplemental flotation in the loaded canoe but have never "needed" it.
 
every trip I take stuff that won't be needed, but it's not always the same stuff. I always bring a repair kit, a tarp, rainsuit, extra rope and pegs, and a day's food, and hopefully need none of it. If solo or with a small group, there is other stuff too; an extra headlight, waterbottle, and a cheap pocket poncho. in larger groups it may be an extra stove, filter, and utensils.
None of this stuff is really needed unless something goes wrong, then it's REALLY needed!
 
A rule I try to follow, was stated in Steward Edward White's book " The Forest ". Make 3 piles after your trip, #1 Things you used everyday, #2 Things you used occasionally, #3 Things you never used. Stop bringing #3, consider not bringing #2, Bring pile #1. You'll save alot of time in packing & have an easier time finding things when you need them.
 
Repair kit (thank goodness)
Long underwear
Spare paddle
Head net
Extra day's food
DEET
Rain suits
PFD
EPIRB
Meds
Spare map

Rather than even contemplate the spare stuff I have brought and not used I’ll just work off SFM’s list.

Long underwear.
Or something else in the warmth garment area. I tend to pack for one season colder than expected. In summer I pack long fleece for fall conditions. In fall I pack for winter long underwear. In winter I sometimes pack a one-piece snow mobile suit for lazy in-camp leisure use.
Sadly there is an unobserved obverse to that, meaning that I have done shoulder season trips where it was unexpectedly 85F for day’s on end and I wished I had a clean, unsmelly tee shirt. The worst was a 3 week spring trip; I had packed two pairs of short pants, one of which mysteriously vanished before I launched. Think three weeks of unseasonably hot weather in the same pair of seldom washed pants.

Spare paddle.
Always, but rarely used. In all honestly I use the 6 foot wood staff more often, as a push pole, boat hook, tarp pole, hiking stick, etc. But I can’t imagine not bringing a spare paddle.

Head net.
Yeah, that’s one that rarely gets used. I hate wearing a head net, especially if it is warm out, to the point that I’d rather swat and suffer, retreat to the tent for a spell or move to some windswept locale. It still comes on every trip, way at the bottom of the essentials bag, where I hope I don’t need it.

Extra day’s food. Almost always. Well, I always pack an extra day’s food. That is a freeze dried beef stew, which is my least favorite of the freeze dries, but I usually end up with enough dribs and drabs to make breakfast and lunch out of the unused remains. I get a certain satisfaction from coming out with at least a hungry days worth of food remaining. That Pro-pack beef stew has been on a lot of trips.

DEET.
And SPF 50 sunscreen. I don’t especially like using either one, but both buried are in the essentials bag.

Rain suits.
Every trip. God bless “breathable” WP fabrics. More often than rain protection GorTex (etc) pants and jacket are my 3rd layer of off season chill and wind barrier. I can’t stand wearing that “breathable” layer if it is warm out; I sweat too dang much. But as a shoulder season layer and wind chill protection I can think of nothing more useful.

PFD. Well, yeah, of course. And I wear it 90% of the time. I always start off wearing a PFD, but if I am in knee deep bay waters and sweating to tee shirt saturation underneath a PFD it is coming off as hyperthermia risk management. Oh Gawd that drying breeze feels so good!

EPIRB
Nope. SPOT, nope. GPS, nope. Cell phone, nope. One of the permitted venues I frequent asks paddlers about that stuff. For years I have told them that I have a weather radio, maps, a compass and common sense. They have stopped asking.

Meds
Yeah, in terms of a first aid kid and medications more than I need. I carry up to three first aid kits. A minor boo boo kit even on day trips, a more extensive kit on multi-day solo trips and a large kit on group trips. That latter is a 3-compartment roll out Medic’s pouch with a laminated, quick reference what-is-in each-compartment index. There is stuff in there I have never used thank god, finger splint, clotting trauma bandage and an Epi-pen (courtesy of bee-sting allergic companions), but also lots of stuff that has been unexpectedly used
In that unexpected use realm the things that have often been handy (looking at the index): tampons (don’t ask), small hemostats, Anbesol anesthetic for tooth problems, nasal spray, anti-diarrheal, liquid bandage, moleskin, Benadryl (replaced every couple years)
One of the most important items I have found in a first aid/meds kit is a small zip-lock trash bag, so I can easily see what I have used and what needs to be replenished after a trip. That, and a folding lady’s compact mirror; it is really hard to tell how bad a facial cut is bleeding on a solo trip without a mirror, much less patch it up with any accuracy.

Spare map.
Well, not a second copy of the same map for the area, but when I have the option of carrying topos (my old school preference), printed mapping software sheets and photocopied guidebook maps I’ll take everything I can get. Paper weighs next to nothing. Of course they are all in the same map case; if I lost that I would have to rethink.

OK, other things not on SFM’s list.

A whistle. I have one in my PFD pocket, and yeah, there another in the big first aid kit. I have never used either and I still want both. Speaking of PFD pocket contents, a spare vehicle key and a $20 bill in a tiny pouch. I have needed and used both on several occasions.

Spare sun glasses. I have been snow blind twice and bright sunlight is my nemesis. The couple times I have needed spare sunglasses I have needed them; it is hard to paddle with your eyes shut.

Bail out/Spares and Repairs bag. Another 3-compartment roll out bag stuffed in a 10L dry bag, mostly carried on group trips. Way more stuff that I have never used, but also way more stuff that I have at some point found a need for.
What I actually come to most often use from that kit:
Duct tape, tools, giant trash bag, parachute cord, 1” Fastex buckle, needle and thread, fire starter, vinyl repair kit for sleeping pads, cable ties and spare machine screws and nuts. I use something from that kit on almost every group trip.

Also not a bad place to carry a backup photocopy of your driver’s license and health insurance info.

There is a never-used length of SS rudder cable and swedges in that kit. I hope I never need it, but I am awaiting the day I encounter a sea kayaker with a busted rudder cable. That will be memorable Canyon Fairy rescue and repair fun.
 
I would have to suppose that you packed what you thought you needed for the time of year, (and also based on many other similar outings) certainly there was some overlap of clothing, where things could have double up or tripled up if the temps or weather had really changed .

But you were being cautious, like w the drysuits which are great when they are really needed. Given the predicted/onsite weather the first day, could you have left some gear behind in the car, etc?

Having supervised the gear load of a just returned 12 day trip out to desert National Parks in the west, I was happy to understand that much got used including the tarp and poles & rope, a daily afternoon hedge against excessive heat and sun, brightness and some privacy in NP campgrounds. On this NP trip some of the unworn clothing was strictly personal preference (cool heads and torso vs being 19 years old cool!), some was just not needed after long days in the sun and ready access to other similar gear in the van.

Off season trips I find are the biggest challenge to properly pack for...could be 20, 30, 40 or 50 or more in just a day...and how driven by comfort and safety are you and your companions?
 
I always take the same type of stuff, I found cutting down on clothes was one big thing to reduce bulk and weight. The farther I go, or the longer, the more I will take to cut risk of not having something. It's amazing what I forget when car camping (never forget the beer though). Actually forgot any flashlight or headlamp this past weekend. If the car did not have a little rechargeable I would have been setting 50% of the camp up the next day or by feel.
 
I would have to suppose that you packed what you thought you needed for the time of year, (and also based on many other similar outings) certainly there was some overlap of clothing, where things could have double up or tripled up if the temps or weather had really changed .

But you were being cautious, like w the drysuits which are great when they are really needed. Given the predicted/onsite weather the first day, could you have left some gear behind in the car, etc?

Having supervised the gear load of a just returned 12 day trip out to desert National Parks in the west, I was happy to understand that much got used including the tarp and poles & rope, a daily afternoon hedge against excessive heat and sun, brightness and some privacy in NP campgrounds. On this NP trip some of the unworn clothing was strictly personal preference (cool heads and torso vs being 19 years old cool!), some was just not needed after long days in the sun and ready access to other similar gear in the van.

Off season trips I find are the biggest challenge to properly pack for...could be 20, 30, 40 or 50 or more in just a day...and how driven by comfort and safety are you and your companions?
um we were on Lakes Superior and Georgian Bay.. Both are in areas not well covered by weather radios and we were out on two trips for a total of 12 days.. You really cant predict weather on Superior from day to day anyway.The wind direction and speed are the most important factors.
I did have Windfinder loaded on my I phone for the time period. I pledged not to use the phone for anything other than that chart. I left it on somehow and the battery died on day two.. Now I know to take a paper copy.

We knew there might be thunderstorms but never got hit.

In that environment I always carry a PLB but its on my person so not counted as not being used (This is one little thing I cant imagine ever leaving behind as we see usually very few paddlers.)

Oh and four headlamps.. !!!! And two Luci Lanterns.. I always take two headlamps and got the Lucis cheap for campsite ambiance. It turned out we used none of them.. I had packed two headlamps initially and enroute to LSPP found the two good ones that had "gone missing" and threw them in the equipment and food box.. rather than ferret out the two less desirable ones. We could have had a good party!
 
Repair kit (thank goodness)
Long underwear
Spare paddle
Head net
Extra day's food
DEET
Rain suits
PFD
EPIRB
Meds
Spare map

So you take a PFD and don't wear it at all? Really? Up here having one per person in the watercraft is mandatory, wearing it isn't, yet. I wear mine always for lakes and larger crossings, undo or remove when on smaller rivers. Spare paddle is also mandatory.

We have our packing down to a science, there may be things we don't use but might if need be, so no need for pile #3. We appear to have much stuff, but once camp is set up the two 115L Eureka bags are empty. We always take a tarp and rope kit, rarely set it up for just an overnight camp, but have used it as an emergency storm shelter. It doesn't weigh much or take up much space so why not include it?

We also always pack 2 days extra food and although we fish daily, we Never count on fish meals.
 
I brought too many cooking pots and pans. Should have looked at the meals and sorted out what wasn't going to be used.
Jim
 
Mihun09: "So you take a PFD and don't wear it at all? Really? Up here having one per person in the watercraft is mandatory, wearing it isn't, yet. I wear mine always for lakes and larger crossings, undo or remove when on smaller rivers. Spare paddle is also mandatory."

We always wear our PFDs. However, the flotation they provide was never used. Actually, we will continue to carry all the items I listed on our trips; the original question was whether they were used.
 
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I'm with forest rune; been using E.S. White's dictum for years. I have my 3-day 2-night pack at about 8-9 lbs (less consumables). My 6-day pack is around 18-22 lbs. Of course this increases in cold weather by necessity (larger cutting tools and warmer clothes/shelter). Longer trips are impacted by consumables. If I'm not going solo I expect others will supply their own needs. This may be judgmental but If a portage requires more than one trip you're taking too much "stuff".
 
This may be judgmental but If a portage requires more than one trip you're taking too much "stuff".
It is.
Its a fine aim for young males with strength but safety really rules the trip. I know experienced Arctic canoeists who take what they need and it comes down to triple portaging. And they are hardly newbies.
I really know where most of you paddle but the site seems to be aimed to portage lake to lake trippers, male and of not over a certain age..
Being over 70 and female and a heart attack and cancer survivor and now a knee replacement I'll ignore your judgment and do what is best for me.
 
Yellowcanoe, I don't think any of this discussion is a rebuke of your methods , being 65 myself anything that can keep you out there is a indispensable item & to each his own, I've alway learned a lot from your comments & admired your adventurist spirit. Go Girl !
 
Yellowcanoe, I don't think any of this discussion is a rebuke of your methods , being 65 myself anything that can keep you out there is a indispensable item & to each his own, I've alway learned a lot from your comments & admired your adventurist spirit. Go Girl !
The principle of paring down non essentials is quite good.. the list of non essentials grows as we age. I can't now get off the ground..sob.. I need a chair. Ten years ago the chair would have not even entered my mind.

Sorry for being a bit harsh.
This was supposed to be a lighthearted thread about nothing I brought being used aside from the chair, hat, sunglasses, sunblock, lemonade, and Kindle. Of course the stove and some food. The tent wasnt essential. I packed according to what had happened to us on Superior in years past and this year we got skunked!
 
My apologies YC, Being 58 with a reconstructed knee a dysfunctional heart valve, and synesthesia I've discovered that less baggage in every arena of life makes good sense for me. I'm an experienced adventurist and am simply speaking from my own experiences. If I've offended you I am sorry. In every adventure, in all the arenas of life, take whatever you want, as long as it doesn't make blisters.
 
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