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Have you ever ate them? Supposed to be very good. I know yellow carp are supposed to be very hard to de-bone; don't know if the same applies to these or not.
Alan
Yeah, I had two in the boat at the same time the last time I paddled on the Wabash River earlier this year. They really slime up the boat and they usually thrash around and fight so much that they injure themselves and bleed in the boat as well.
There was an article in a local newspaper about some local restaurants starting to serve silver carp recipes recently. Honestly, after having to look at them, get them out of my boats, and clean up after them a number of times, I don't think I could stomach eating them no matter how they tasted.
There was an article in a local newspaper about some local restaurants starting to serve silver carp recipes recently. Honestly, after having to look at them, get them out of my boats, and clean up after them a number of times, I don't think I could stomach eating them no matter how they tasted.
Yep. I will eat a gar if I catch one, but I don't think I could eat one of those flying carp for the reasons pblanc said. They make me so mad. Ruins a day of paddling. They pretty much thrash around until they kill themselves, meanwhile I'm trying to kick them to the other end of the canoe and not fall out. I always wear my pfd in carp waters in case one of them knocks me on the head. If there is more than one in the boat at the same time it riles em up even more. There isn't a square inch of the canoe that isn't slimed and scaled up by the time they're done.
I think I'll start bringing my frog gig in the future so it's easier to dispatch and toss them overboard.
I think I'll start bringing my frog gig in the future so it's easier to dispatch and toss them overboard.
And i thought jumping snook were bad.. They always get in the boat in the Everglades or bonk themselves on the hull.
That video is bizarro. I've detested fishing and been repulsed by fish since I was a boy. This deepens my abhorrence.
The Asian carp are tasty ! The Iowa DNR cooked a bunch for us on a river clean up, a few years ago. Bing slimy and boney, puts them on the bottom of the list, for cleaning, but they are very tasty ! it was hard to stop eating them.
We were doing a river clean up, on the Big Sioux, a tributary of the Missouri river.. They seemed to favor the aluminum canoes, to land in.
We were doing a river clean up, on the Big Sioux, a tributary of the Missouri river.. They seemed to favor the aluminum canoes, to land in.
I've had the chance to eat common carp pan-fried several times and they've always been really horrible although the flesh was firm. Smoked carp and Jewish gefilte fish (spelling?) wasn't too bad although those preparations include salt and flavorings. The only worse fish I've tried is common white suckers panfried... jelly-like texture and if if you can choke that sucker down without projectile vomiting afterwards, well, you're a real hero.
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Common carp are often bad for native fish habitat... they schnozzle around in the mud feeling for invertebrates and uproot vegetation which natives like pike and bass, along with smaller sunfish and minnows need for shelter and food items, destoying the productive capacity for natives forever... since once carp are in, they're difficult to remove.
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Common carp are often bad for native fish habitat... they schnozzle around in the mud feeling for invertebrates and uproot vegetation which natives like pike and bass, along with smaller sunfish and minnows need for shelter and food items, destoying the productive capacity for natives forever... since once carp are in, they're difficult to remove.
By all accounts Silver Carp (the new invasive) are much more appetizing than the common Yellow Carp we've been dealing with for years. I believe they're more of a plankton and vegetation eater rather than a mud sucker.
Alan
The Asian carp are filter feeders. They won't bite a hook. They spawn when they feel the need. They grow so rapidly, that predators have little chance thin them out. They favor moving water, over still water. They are also a tuned to electricity.. Shocking from the DNR boats puts them on the run. The DNR shocked a small portion of the Big Sioux. As a demonstration for our group of river cleaners. The first pass a large number of carp jumped. The second pass, there was just a few. Very sensitive to electricity. So are most fish, and reptiles. (Turtles for sure)
My son, Ben is a fisheries biologist for the Iowa DNR.
Jim
My son, Ben is a fisheries biologist for the Iowa DNR.
Jim
Jim, here in the great frozen north, there's a great deal of concern over Asian carp invading our pristine Canadian waters (well, sort of pristine, some have been degraded with exotics esp the Great Lakes), although something tells me that cold water and Asian carp won't mix. But there are four species of invasive carp out there determined to carry on with their population explosion and only a thin wall of electrical current preventing some of the invaders from passing through the Chicago canal into the Great Lakes. Blocking the canal by filling isn't possible because of water transport needs (as always money makes the whirled go round), so we northerners are looking on with a great deal of interest on how well things go on this particular issue.
PS... maybe OT, OTOH maybe not... Donald Trump wants to build border walls to block out pesky illegal immigrants so maybe some of the billions of tax $$$ needed for that could be directed at blocking off them there pesky carp. And while he's at it, a way to Make America Great Again would be to feed the poor with tasty Asian carpburgers, like Fillet-O-Carp... but maybe I'm going too far with that.
PS... maybe OT, OTOH maybe not... Donald Trump wants to build border walls to block out pesky illegal immigrants so maybe some of the billions of tax $$$ needed for that could be directed at blocking off them there pesky carp. And while he's at it, a way to Make America Great Again would be to feed the poor with tasty Asian carpburgers, like Fillet-O-Carp... but maybe I'm going too far with that.
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I eat smoked carp all the time. It is pretty easy to find along the Mississippi River. I like smoked carp better than smoked catfish which tends to get dried out. Smoked sturgeon is probably the best, but I refuse to eat it due to their dwindling numbers.
My grand parents who lived in NW Iowa used to talk about Okoboji Salmon, which was actually canned (and pickled?) carp. As I recall, something about the processing disolved the bones. They never fed it to me though, so I cannot comment on the taste
My grand parents who lived in NW Iowa used to talk about Okoboji Salmon, which was actually canned (and pickled?) carp. As I recall, something about the processing disolved the bones. They never fed it to me though, so I cannot comment on the taste
Okoboji is right next door to us. I've also heard that canning or maybe cooking for long periods of time in soup might dissolve the bones. I'm sure the carp was processed at Stoller's in Spirit Lake: http://www.sfishinc.com/stollerfisheries.html
An interesting page on their site showing the fish they process and what they're used for: http://www.sfishinc.com/stollerfisheries/speciesoffish.html
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Here is a link to an interesting article on the history of Stoller:
https://www.google.com/amp/siouxcit...b5e96307-287d-53a6-b6d9-fd18a28d73e3.amp.html
https://www.google.com/amp/siouxcit...b5e96307-287d-53a6-b6d9-fd18a28d73e3.amp.html
lol, kamikaze carp!
In FL the FWC stocks sterilized grass carp for aquatic vegetation control.
http://www.myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/profiles/freshwater/nonnatives/grass-carp/
They get really big, some of the older lakes you can see them 20-30lbs 3'-4' long cruising the shallows or just laid up.
Not sure its the same species or not, but Joe Tess in SE Omaha has the best fried carp I ever ate http://www.joetessplace.com/
In FL the FWC stocks sterilized grass carp for aquatic vegetation control.
http://www.myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/profiles/freshwater/nonnatives/grass-carp/
They get really big, some of the older lakes you can see them 20-30lbs 3'-4' long cruising the shallows or just laid up.
Not sure its the same species or not, but Joe Tess in SE Omaha has the best fried carp I ever ate http://www.joetessplace.com/
Deerfly
We have some in our rivers here in Iowa.
One early evening paddle, a few summers ago. In some pretty quiet water. One swirled next to my canoe. Now I've been in that river enough, that nothing scares me. I nearly tipped over when one of those grass carp, took off !! Took me awhile to calm down ! They have some power !
Jim
We have some in our rivers here in Iowa.
One early evening paddle, a few summers ago. In some pretty quiet water. One swirled next to my canoe. Now I've been in that river enough, that nothing scares me. I nearly tipped over when one of those grass carp, took off !! Took me awhile to calm down ! They have some power !
Jim
Hmmm... carp that's actually edible... a look at distribution maps show both common and asian carp present in that area. Joe Tess' website says they've been serving carp since the 1930s, so if they've been keeping the same old tradition going, it's common carp that's been getting the good reviews. Asian carp, all four species, siiver, black, bighead and grass, didn't begin their invasion until the 1970s, but they're often reported as tasting not bad. Common carp were introduced about 1830 and they've had much more time to spread throughout the states, often seen as a trash fish with pretty bad flavor not worth eating.... or not worth trying to eat.
Every time I've tried frying common carp, the smell and taste has been bad enough to bring on barf spasms. Smoked carp and gefilte carp aren't bad, but they're brined, sugared, spiced and flavored heavily, probably to cover over that common carp taste. I wonder what Joe Tess is adding to make common carp taste good enough to get those good reviews.
Common carp do have some tradition as a food fish in Europe and I'm not sure of the preparation that's needed to make that possible. Still, common carp aren't the worst choice out there... the absolute worst, the most gut-wrenching and revolting fish that swims has to be common white suckers caught and fried in summer... the jelly-like consistency, smell and taste so bad it's indescribable... barfarama.
Common white suckers aren't in the minnow family (cyprinids) but common carp and asian carp are... some large minnows can actually taste good at times... again if caught in spring before the water warms up. Creek chubs, surprisingly good, good enough to be served on the table with yellow perch... and fallfish if caught early, can be good eating.
I don't know Tess's secret recipe either, but as a S Fl cracker (we fried everything that bled when you cut into it) I've eaten pretty much everything that swims, walks or fly's around here and would say Joe's carp is pretty dang good. Tess's place is very well known and attended around those parts. My in-laws live in Omaha and its rare to visit without eating at Joe's at least once.
With all the really good fish, fresh and salt in Florida I've never been the least bit motivated to try any of the carp found in our waters. Spotted gar is about as low as I go on the freshwater trash fish scale and that's actually quite good. Gar lends itself to minimalist camping cuisine too because all you need to do is whack the head off, slit the belly, remove innards, season if you got it, set the "hull" on an open fire for a few minutes and it cooks right in the shell like skin. Peel the ribs and back bone away from the cooked flesh as you dig in and enjoy. They're not particularly easy to catch on hook and line though, we typically gigged them at night when the bull frogs were scarce. These days the guys that pursue them intentionally usually bowfish for them.
Talk about minnows, when I was a very little boy (early 60's) we lived near downtown Miami where the neighborhood was mixed white and Hispanic. Two of my best friends Opie and Rafael, were children of the first wave big wave of Cuban immigrants in 1959. On the weekends, usually Sunday morning we'd be playing at one of their homes and the parents and relatives would be gathered after church eating sliced guava, hard cheese, crackers and scooping live minnows from a small bucket and eating them alive. I was so young, combined with the fact the adults and my little friends were eating it without any hesitation or animated pause, I ate them too. The minnows being so small didn't really taste like much of anything. I never ate them since those couple of years we lived there, but never forgot it.
With all the really good fish, fresh and salt in Florida I've never been the least bit motivated to try any of the carp found in our waters. Spotted gar is about as low as I go on the freshwater trash fish scale and that's actually quite good. Gar lends itself to minimalist camping cuisine too because all you need to do is whack the head off, slit the belly, remove innards, season if you got it, set the "hull" on an open fire for a few minutes and it cooks right in the shell like skin. Peel the ribs and back bone away from the cooked flesh as you dig in and enjoy. They're not particularly easy to catch on hook and line though, we typically gigged them at night when the bull frogs were scarce. These days the guys that pursue them intentionally usually bowfish for them.
Talk about minnows, when I was a very little boy (early 60's) we lived near downtown Miami where the neighborhood was mixed white and Hispanic. Two of my best friends Opie and Rafael, were children of the first wave big wave of Cuban immigrants in 1959. On the weekends, usually Sunday morning we'd be playing at one of their homes and the parents and relatives would be gathered after church eating sliced guava, hard cheese, crackers and scooping live minnows from a small bucket and eating them alive. I was so young, combined with the fact the adults and my little friends were eating it without any hesitation or animated pause, I ate them too. The minnows being so small didn't really taste like much of anything. I never ate them since those couple of years we lived there, but never forgot it.
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