"Ecopoxy" Resin

Wow, i want two of them!

Steve in Idaho said:

Bill should be selling car wax on cable tv. That smacking the sample laying on the flat granite surface is pretty cheesy. I suppose it's convincing to people who aren't tuned into persuasion tricks. And the 303.....OMG.

I'd want to see him stand that rock on edge and drop a loaded canoe on it before I'd drop an extra $600. Or at least borrow Clipper's steel hammer and give it some real swings.

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I've been an acquaintance of Bill Jr for years, when his new epoxy layup first came out a few years ago Bill and I were talking about my aging fleet of expedition weight Kippawas that I was using for teaching kids and group tripping, while he was dismayed to find out I had retired and given the fleet to another instructor, he mentioned the new layup and handed me a sample piece and a 3lb club hammer I bashed that sample HARD several times on a piece of jagged granite and was surprised to see that while it creased and gouged the gelcoat, it did not visibly cut or fray a single fiber, last time I saw that kind of performance in a canoe layup it was a 2nd generation royalite Wenonah.

scoutergriz said:

I've been an acquaintance of Bill Jr for years, when his new epoxy layup first came out a few years ago Bill and I were talking about my aging fleet of expedition weight Kippawas that I was using for teaching kids and group tripping, while he was dismayed to find out I had retired and given the fleet to another instructor, he mentioned the new layup and handed me a sample piece and a 3lb club hammer I bashed that sample HARD several times on a piece of jagged granite and was surprised to see that while it creased and gouged the gelcoat, it did not visibly cut or fray a single fiber, last time I saw that kind of performance in a canoe layup it was a 2nd generation royalite Wenonah.

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Thanks for that insight, and I don't doubt it a bit. It just struck me that his salesmanship is highly tuned.

Not meaning to cast aspersions on his products or his person. I should have made that clear. Yet while some people will think the difference is worth another $600, I'd be happy to have a Wildfire, for instance, with his less expensive layup, and I'd not be worried about durability.

I used EcoPoxy to build cedar strip rowboats and canoes for about 5 years. I only stopped when they changed their product line and dropped the clear laminating resin. It worked well for me, behaved like the Silvertip I had been using, and I could order it online, and receive it in the mail a couple of days later. The bio 36 product was supposed to be a replacement for laminating but was not "water-clear" and ended up looking "muddy" on the cedar. I talked to their technicians but they could not supply a direct replacement for the old product. The casting epoxies are made to be poured in thick layers without exotherming, and have an extremely long cure time (measured in days) so they won't do either. The 1 to 1 table top product is very thick, not optimum for wetting out cloth. EcoPoxy says their products are less toxic to use, and must not be dangerous goods if they can send them by mail, but I always used the same precautions when i was using them.

...and must not be dangerous goods if they can send them by mail, but I always used the same precautions when i was using them.

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Better safe than sorry IMO and I'm not sure that any epoxies are hazardous enough to prevent shipping via mail. I order RAKA online and they ship it.

(BTW: Welcome.)

oyster bay boats said:

I used EcoPoxy to build cedar strip rowboats and canoes for about 5 years.

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If you are the proprietor of this website, I bet lots of folks here would be interested in a thread describing and picturing how you "now use fishing line to hold the strips in place when building, so as to avoid the staple holes that mar many cedar strip boats." Just a suggestion.