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Windy Conditions -- How Often?

If you have a low comes through with the rain and crappy weather , when it clears expect a north wind of some beefiness the next day.
Spray covers: I have industrial Velcro on my RapidFire to secure the partial covers. It sucks. It gets sand and dirt in it and those guarantee that the Velcro won't stick to its mate
I have pop riverts and snaps on three other canoes. A PITA to use as they require thumbs of iron.. A flat blade helps as does a thimble.
RIvets dont tear the canoe fabric. Its harder to think of doing the first. Once that is done rivets 2-30 are much easier.
 
I've decided to return the double-blade paddle (gotta love REI's return policy) and try to improve my paddling technique first.

Thanks to all who provided input!
 
Spray covers: I have industrial Velcro on my RapidFire to secure the partial covers. It sucks.

Yellowcanoe,

I've seen mention of Lake Superior, Gulf of Mexico, and other places in your posts so you are definitely much more adventurous than I plan to be. I'm going to check for existing threads about spray covers, but I am curious how often you use them, especially on inland northern lakes.
 
When I use my 250cm Bending Branches Navigator double paddle I get almost no water in my canoe. I paddle13 to 15 ft solos app 30 in max wide. I also always sit on a high seat so the higher position might be a reason for dryness. This is flat water in moderate conditions.
 
Yellowcanoe,

I've seen mention of Lake Superior, Gulf of Mexico, and other places in your posts so you are definitely much more adventurous than I plan to be. I'm going to check for existing threads about spray covers, but I am curious how often you use them, especially on inland northern lakes.

None.. Northern Lake trips involve portages and its a PITA to get a big pack out from under a cover. Especially the snappy ones that don't come off easily. Covers are more for rain and splash resistance and anything bigger than a partial is a entrapment possibility.
Dan Cooke made my Snap covers and he makes a very big entrance tunnel for that reason.

I just avoid afternoons when possible. I know Turtle does too.. early risers have an advantage. If I see that a front is passing and the north wind expected I will be on the water as it just gets light..
A nicely designed hull will keep waves out of the boat. I have had the non pleasure of not getting up early enough at Chesuncook Lake ( with Black Pond as its extension its over 40 km long) and facing 2 foot seas head on. No water in the boat. No spray cover. It was exhausting but I made it halfway down the lake that day..

If you are on northern rivers and its cold a spray cover is a help in keeping you warm, It aids in making you more aerodynamic but I don't know how much,

Here is my boat at a rest stop.. Yes I was double blading.. for shame.. The DragonFly is supposed to be single bladed but I was tired.. The little wavelets deceive. Sloppy pack strap. I had made the one mile crossing with those two foot waves.. No water in the boat.. No covers either.
http://coldencanoe.com/dragonfly.html
 
Satan, get thee and thy double blade behind me!

jm0278 thank you for returning the Devil's double Blade to it's rightful place, that is, the FIRES OF HELL!

If thee useth the diabolical double blade, yee will be smote with the jawbone of an arse. When thee triest to useth the single blade again, thee will be thrown into the sky, to never touch ground again, and forced to drink 8% beer.
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I am curious how often you use them, especially on inland northern lakes.

None. Northern Lake trips involve portages and its a PITA to get a big pack out from under a cover. Especially the snappy ones that don't come off easily. Covers are more for rain and splash resistance and anything bigger than a partial is a entrapment possibility.


If you are on northern rivers and its cold a spray cover is a help in keeping you warm, It aids in making you more aerodynamic but I don't know how much

I have a slightly different spray cover take than Yellowcanoe. I do not portage much anymore, so that is not an issue. My usual big open water is oft windy coastal stuff, but even so most of our covers are partials covering just the bow and stern. Not much entrapment hazard, but without a full skirt they do little to keep us warm.

I have seldom been in waves that were breaking over the covers, except some too steep haystacks in a short section of whitewater. Since my usual covers are bow and stern partials with an open center area those haystack bow waves just rode across the bow cover, deflected off the raised drip baffle and hit me square in the chest. I was soaked worse than no covers at all. It was a frigid New Years Day trip. Nuff said.

Covers probably do help some with eliminating wind catch in quartering breezes, how minor that is I do not know. My canoe is near gunwales full of gear when tripping, and if there is room left I will stuff a short float bag in the stems, so there is not much open hull inside the canoe for the wind to catch.

But waves and splash and wind catch are a minor part of why I use spraycovers on some trips. Aside from a torrential downpour I track a rainy mornings worth water inside the hull on wet foot entries. I have a sponge, and a bailer, and know how to use them.

It is the other cover advantages that are most functional for my uses.

Shade for the food barrel or cooler. And, early in the warm weather season, shade for my winter pale legs and feet. Coolness in summer under a hot sun, the shade under the covers combined with the ambient water temperature on the hull is noticable. My Snickers Bars do not melt and if I am using stem flotation bags the float bags do not Shes gonna blow swell and need pressure relief as often.

But, mostly, I like having a bow cover for the paddles plural spare blade pocket and lash strips for the shafts. And for a horizontal place to lay out and secure the map case in close enough readable orientation, and for providing a splash guard up front to catch paddle drips. Enough that I often use only the bow partial, leaving the less multifunctional stern cover off entirely, which makes for easier midday lunch stop gear accessibility and half a canoe unloading at camp.

I think I can achieve most of those advantageous fabric deck functions, drip barrier, center shade, map case held readably flat, and paddle grip restraints, with the blade stuffed under a gear webbing strap across the now open and easier unloading gear storage in the bow. All via a simple hull width piece of waterproof cloth front of midships, using snap rivets positioned under the outwale on each side.
 
If thee useth the diabolical double blade, yee will be smote with the jawbone of an arse. When thee triest to useth the single blade again, thee will be thrown into the sky, to never touch ground again, and forced to drink 8% beer.

If that 8 percent by volume beer come in a hippy brown bottle and tastes of bitter hops I am game to take my punishment. It has been a while since I kissed the sky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHPgoZlSWY
 
If that 8 percent by volume beer come in a hippy brown bottle and tastes of bitter hops I am game to take my punishment. It has been a while since I kissed the sky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHPgoZlSWY

Saw him live in Shreveport in 1968. Was glad I kept the ticket stub after he passed. Still have it. May be worth something to the Grandkids after I am gone.

Hmmm, punishment by beer. I'm also an occasional double blade dipper. Where is this mythical beer line?
 
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Saw him live in Shreveport in 1968. Was glad I kept the ticket stub after he passed. Still have it. May be worth something to the Grandkids after I am gone.

dang these Canoe Tripping threads. We have not kept up with modern music formats, and still have lots of seldom played vinyl, and hundreds of cassette tapes. Other than the 2001 Ford van none of our vehicles even has a cassette player.

Music CDs, eh, not so many. There are a scant half dozen CDs in the tripping truck, all of which I have listened to dozens of times. MP3s, Itunes, satellite radio and other electronica modernity beyond CDs has long passed me by.

There is no Jimi in the truck. When I am seek and scanning radio stations and I hear Hendrix the volume immediately gets cranked up. I cannot help it, it is the only listening option. JIMI!

I just bought Axis Bold As Love and Are You Experienced on CD for the truck. Look for a white Tacoma blasting Hendrix, and a driver sporting a giant dang those were such good times smile of memory.

Bless these Canoe Tripping threads. I can hardly wait to blare some feedback distorted, BWANANANA, BWANANANA.

We have wandered a ways from windy conditions, but crank that crap up brotha.
 
Saw him live in Shreveport in 1968.
My wife/spousal component/domestic management delights in every opportunity to mention that Mr. Hendrix was her first-ever concert. Mine was The Guess Who. Certainly nothing for me to be ashamed of, but on the other hand, I do have my (right handed) Stratocaster and Fender amp in the basement for whenever the mood strikes. :cool:
 
My boy was brought up on Hendrix, Stevie Ray, that kinda thing. Him and I have paddled some dang windy lakes together, single blade only. I remember we paddled one lake into a headwind with four foot waves. GPS showed we were making 1.5 k an hour. When we hit shore, our forearms cramped so bad we couldn't set up the tent. Here he is at age 17 with Little Wing. He's much better now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-OJKnjhe0c
 
dang, you're raising him right Mem.

So has this officially become a canoe trippy thread?
Just in case I'm getting paranoid and those aren't clouds in my coffee, I'll do the old square thing and get back to the OP...
...we use the shoreline and islands whenever wherever we can to cheat the wind and his silly games. Or else we stay ashore.
 
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My boy was brought up on Hendrix
Here he is at age 17 with Little Wing. He's much better now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-OJKnjhe0c

Mem, dang nice Junk.

Getting back on topic . . . .

Spray covers: I have industrial Velcro on my RapidFire to secure the partial covers. It sucks. It gets sand and dirt in it and those guarantee that the Velcro won't stick to its mate

I have pop riverts and snaps on three other canoes. A PITA to use as they require thumbs of iron

Velcro as a spray cover attachment has proven less than satisfactory. All that freaking work to make DIY covers, sew on the hook side, somehow securely glue on the loop side, and in a few years it is so full of irremovable debris as to be near useless. Never again.

The proven durable attachment choices each have pluses and minuses. Northwaters no sag poly spray cover material is dependent on through hull loops and vinyl pad attachments adhered inside the hull. That style cover does have over gunwales load adjustability.

https://northwater.com/products/canoe-spray-deck

https://northwater.com/collections/.../spray-deck-options/products/vinyl-loop-patch

Vs Cooke Custom Sewing wet saggy nylon with thumbs of iron snap rivets below the inwale.

http://www.cookecustomsewing.com/canoecovers.htm#

I have never installed or used a Northwater cover, and the height adjustability and easier clip in place install would be advantageous, but lordy, all those fugly vinyl patches glued inside the hull, and little loop cords sticking outside the sides. . . . .eeesh.

My CCS covers were all properly and carefully fitted and installed relative humidity wise. Even so at a desert dry, low humidity launch I dunk the whole stuff bag in the river and let the covers sit wetted out while I load gear in the canoe.

By the time I am done with the gear the nylon covers are stretchsaggy, and at least taut fabric is not fighting iron thumb snap placement. If it is low humidity dry the covers are drumskin tight in 30 minutes. And sag puddles when it rains.

I think those are the two most functional choices, either through hull loops with patches glued inside or snap rivets attached on the outside.
 
My Yukon race team has gone to using 2" wide Velcro to hold spray covers on our Yukon race canoes, both voyageur and C4. Each seat position has its own individually fitted cover with waist tube drawstring. It is required to be installed according to race rules when on Lake Laberge and for running the Five Fingers Rapids. We together custom made our own in each canoe case, not easy to do, but necessary. There is enough width of velcro to be always able to pull the covers tight enough to shed any water that would otherwise come aboard. Besides, it offers a nice table platform for food storage while eating, and it retains some air warmth for the lower torso in the canoe. Velcro has proven to work well for us, debris has not been a problem on the hook or the loop side.
 
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My boy was brought up on Hendrix, Stevie Ray, that kinda thing. Him and I have paddled some dang windy lakes together, single blade only. I remember we paddled one lake into a headwind with four foot waves. GPS showed we were making 1.5 k an hour. When we hit shore, our forearms cramped so bad we couldn't set up the tent. Here he is at age 17 with Little Wing. He's much better now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-OJKnjhe0c

Nice bit of blues pickin' there Mem. And you say he's better now? I'd buy that CD.
 
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