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Happy Caesar Crosses the Rubicon (49 BC)! "alea iacta est" 🎲
Prospector update and first solo canoe experience.
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I like it... I'm with you on that one!! To me a canoe is paddled using a single blade stick... But of course you can line it, track it, or pole it as well, but no double blade and you don't sit your but on the wet bottom, that is why we have raised seats or pedestal!! LOL
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Well the double blade is way harder to master. Any doofus can get from a to b. in a zig zag, but there are reasons that advanced kayakers take lessons. A really good forward stroke is not easy to learn.
Canoeing is harder at the beginning of the learning curve.. kayaking harder later in the curve.
How many of you pundits do both? I sense some unbased opinions. I think that when paddlers act as a united front we are all better off, but there are just so many misconceptions out there and not many willing to give.
Well the double blade is way harder to master. Any doofus can get from a to b. in a zig zag, but there are reasons that advanced kayakers take lessons. A really good forward stroke is not easy to learn.
Canoeing is harder at the beginning of the learning curve.. kayaking harder later in the curve.
How many of you pundits do both? I sense some unbased opinions. I think that when paddlers act as a united front we are all better off, but there are just so many misconceptions out there and not many willing to give.
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When I double blade my solo rather than my usual single blade with in water recovery, I feel like I am doing violence to the water.
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While we're on the topic of sin and impropriety, someone should take that dang IN-Water Recovery to task.
It significantly increases drag by adding ~ 300 square inches of surface to the hulls ~2000 sq in, the increased velocity further increasing drag.
If not precisely controlled, it induces yaw.
It slows efficient forward progress by slowing cadence.
Worst of all, it reduces torso rotation compared to the Horizontal Recovery, which enhances it; the result being a catch to far aft along the hull to be effective and a horrible tendency to carry the paddle blade aft of the body with resultant yaw and cadence reduction.
In-water recoveries look cool and are very restful, but so is my Serta. I have no idea how they worked themselves into the FreeStyle curricula except as a learning mantra for sideslips.
It significantly increases drag by adding ~ 300 square inches of surface to the hulls ~2000 sq in, the increased velocity further increasing drag.
If not precisely controlled, it induces yaw.
It slows efficient forward progress by slowing cadence.
Worst of all, it reduces torso rotation compared to the Horizontal Recovery, which enhances it; the result being a catch to far aft along the hull to be effective and a horrible tendency to carry the paddle blade aft of the body with resultant yaw and cadence reduction.
In-water recoveries look cool and are very restful, but so is my Serta. I have no idea how they worked themselves into the FreeStyle curricula except as a learning mantra for sideslips.
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I must have stumbled onto something, but using my 250cm bending branches navigator double in my solos doesn't get me hardly wet at all. People have commented that it is quiet for a double, maybe that is a clue?
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Yeaaaayy Charlie. I have never been able to master in water recovery and soon gave it up as a bad job. Especially if I wanted to actually get somewhere. I do double blade on occasion but have not gone that way for a while. Mostly hit and switch instead. While we are discussing heresy I will confess to coveting an outboard motor of late.
I like the impetus that a double blade imparts....its just that we paddle tandem for the most part and it is not as easy to manage that way. I have seen it done though, and man did they fly.
Ahead of centre with a Yak paddle? Hmmmm. Interesting idea. Rob has an old pedal boat that has me thinking...cut the back off an old Huron and make it into a stern wheeler? I feel a lightning bolt headed my way.
Christy
I like the impetus that a double blade imparts....its just that we paddle tandem for the most part and it is not as easy to manage that way. I have seen it done though, and man did they fly.
Ahead of centre with a Yak paddle? Hmmmm. Interesting idea. Rob has an old pedal boat that has me thinking...cut the back off an old Huron and make it into a stern wheeler? I feel a lightning bolt headed my way.
Christy
You will never sneak up on a moose with hit and switch or a double blade. Seals tolerate motorboats coming close. Kayaks approaching a quarter mile off and the seals are gone..
In water recoveries should not be hard to master but you have to be presented with all the facets of them.. Key is the palm roll and then neutral slice forward. I've had several folks come to me and say they haven't mastered it and all have not been doing the palm roll. Its got a fancy name but at the end of the j your grip thumb is down. Without moving the paddle just rotate your hand to thumb up.
In water recoveries should not be hard to master but you have to be presented with all the facets of them.. Key is the palm roll and then neutral slice forward. I've had several folks come to me and say they haven't mastered it and all have not been doing the palm roll. Its got a fancy name but at the end of the j your grip thumb is down. Without moving the paddle just rotate your hand to thumb up.
Wow, a two-fer!
250 cm doubles will be used with a very horizontal stroke, which is inefficient, as it slows cadence and induces yaw.
The inwater recovery, when done properly to minimize yaw, is inefficient because it increases drag and slows cadence.
We've strayed from discussing Prospector canoes, which are a third old timey concept and that hangs on despite better options.
250 cm doubles will be used with a very horizontal stroke, which is inefficient, as it slows cadence and induces yaw.
The inwater recovery, when done properly to minimize yaw, is inefficient because it increases drag and slows cadence.
We've strayed from discussing Prospector canoes, which are a third old timey concept and that hangs on despite better options.
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Sea Lions see things differently. Third photo down:
http://www.seakayak.ws/kayak/kayak.n...6!OpenDocument
I just dispense with the j part altogether and use a thumb-up pry/rudder (also no doubt has a fancy name) for correction at the end of the stroke before beginning the recovery. Probably have it completely wrong, though.
The stern pry is very powerful but puts the brakes on for most. It takes a tender touch not to put on the brakes.. Couple that with the friction loss of an inwater recovery (beauty has a price) and you can lose quite a bit of speed. I have seen but one paddler who could single blade with a stern pry and finesse it so he did not lose much speed at all.
