PO says "Allagash" but not sure what it is.

[Robin]

17'2", 34 1/2" wide, no id stamping, no old name painted on it. 75lbs without seats, decks or a missing center thwart. Babiche seats, wood trim, V bottom 14" deep from floor to bottom of center thwart.

Royalex?

almost 14" here, but at missing center thwart it's 14", tie downs are same material as skid plates, look like road bike tires cut up? very tight to hull.

DIY skid plates? not great looking, appear to be solid,

34 1/2 " wide, outside of hull skin to outside of hull skin,

 

[Bothwell Voyageur]

Definitely Royalex. You can see the foam core, ABS and vinyl between the inwale and outwale. Mad River? They liked V-Bottom hulls. Dagger?

 

[Guest]

Definitely Royalex, and probably older, thicker RX.

How thick is the RX material at the midships sheerline? I regunwaled a couple of old RX Blue Holes and the Royalex was the middle of the sheerline was something like 3/8” thick. That was back in the days before manufacturers began to specify RX sheets thinner in less critical areas.

Interesting hull, it looks like it has some rocker. Hard to tell from the photos, but is there some cheek at the stems?

Odds are it has been regunwaled at least once, and it looks like the exposed RX foam core was sealed. Once the gunwales come off that tale will be revealed in the number of screw holes.

 

[Canotrouge]

Like I said on the other post and these guys confirmed it, RX.
Madriver... maybe.... Where they any other manufacturer doing that "v" hull thing?

Look like a decent boat!!

 

[memaquay]

That would be a great beater........I have to get some more of those types of boats in my stable.

 

[Guest]

Madriver... maybe.... Where they any other manufacturer doing that "v" hull thing?

There were other vee hulled boats. If it is a Mad River hull I suspect "Allagash" moniker is incorrect.

I appreciate Mad River’s on-line archive of catalogs, although I wish they had included earlier model years. But I just noticed the “Click here for a chronology of canoe construction” at the bottom of that link:

http://www.madrivercanoe.com/us/customer-service/archived-catalogs

Dayum. All 195 Mad River canoes from the early 70’s on. That’s three sheet of paper worth printing for shop reference and some interesting hull and materials history. We have seven of the boats on that list, several from the Vermont days.

But no Allagash.

 

[memaquay]

Only Allagash I can find is Old Town, which would make it a poly boat.

 

[Guest]

Only Allagash I can find is Old Town, which would make it a poly boat.

Well, it sure isn’t poly. I can think of a few “Allagash” models, Stowe’s dozen different lengths, Cal-Tek had a composite Allagash and I know there were other canoes with that name, but I can’t think of an RX one.

The no-visible HIN is curious. I’ve found some older boats with the HIN very faintly inscribed on the hull with an etching pen, and not always on the right stern.

No HIN could mean anything; the HIN plate came off, it was so faintly inscribed it disappeared, it is located somewhere odd.

Way way back in the origins of Royalex you could purchase naked RX hulls from Uniroyal provided you got 8 or 10 friends to buy one as well and DIY gunwales and brightwork.

Eagerly awaiting more clues from the hull.

 

[Robin]

That would be a great beater........I have to get some more of those types of boats in my stable.

I need a restoreable 14' Chestnut Fox, (or a 15 or 16' Chestnut Prospector), you have 9 months to come up with a trade.

 

[Robin]

Thanks for the input, I'm happy it's a Royalex, and I'll give it another look see about the stamp or any writing. I'll even contact the PO for any more hints.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the input, I'm happy it's a Royalex, and I'll give it another look see about the stamp or any writing. I'll even contact the PO for any more hints.

Having seen Robin’s work I doubt the finished product will look like a beater. The RX looks like it is in good shape and the earlier Royalex, especially the pre-1990ish, was tough stuff, as evidenced by the weights.

17’ 2” x 34 x 14 deep with some rocker has the makings of a nice tandem tripper. If the seller remembers the original purchase year that might start to narrow it down. I’ve got some old catalogs and Buyer’s Guides.

 

[Boatman53]

I have a royalex in the shop. It's an Old Town 17' vee bottom. I put new rails on it about 5 years ago.
Jim

 

[memaquay]

I need a restoreable 14' Chestnut Fox, (or a 15 or 16' Chestnut Prospector), you have 9 months to come up with a trade.

You feeling any love for a Tremblay?

 

[yellowcanoe]

Old town allagash. It was what we know today as the Disco. It used to be made of Rx
There is an old thread on onet

 

[pblanc]

This from a thread on another forum:

"There was an Allagash Canoe Co Francestown NH circa early 80's they made a 17' royalex boat called the Endurance. By the mid 80's they had moved to South Berwick Me and dropped royalex boats but still made the Endurance in glass."

 

[Guest]

"There was an Allagash Canoe Co Francestown NH circa early 80's they made a 17' royalex boat called the Endurance. By the mid 80's they had moved to South Berwick Me and dropped royalex boats but still made the Endurance in glass."

I wonder if the “Endurance” was an homage to the earliest RX hulls. I seem to recall some of them being badged Endurall’s.

Edit: Pete’s link on the All Mad River canoes thread shows that MRC’s first Royalex hull, built in ’73, was called the Endurall.

 

[pblanc]

I believe the Mad River Endurall was one of the original "Warsaw Rocket" hulls which were all 16 footers. The Perception Chattooga was a Warsaw Rocket hull and you can view some photos of it here:

http://itsgreenmon.blogspot.com/2013/05/retired-after-38-years.html

The "Endurance" would not have been a Rocket hull being considerably longer.

 

[Robin]

You feeling any love for a Tremblay?

Mario? Nice hair but the dude ain't a Chestnut. hhhaaa

 

[sweeper]

This was my 'Allagash', it was glass but wasn't 14 deep.

 

[Canotrouge]

Is the "V" the full length of the hull??