Pat Moore new old stock canoes

[Glenn MacGrady]

Hello,
Boy does this bring back memories from the Stoughton shop of Pat's.

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and remember Glen at least by name and I think I helped Pat build a super light weight Reverie for him.

I've been around various paddling circles for about 45 years, was good friends with Mike Galt and bought two Lotuses from him in the 1980's, and certainly knew Pat Moore's name at that time. However, I've never actually met Pat, though we have spoken on the phone and emailed each other in the early 2010s, and have never bought one of his canoes.

 

[NoelCanoeDad]

Hello,
Boy does this bring back memories from the Stoughton shop of Pat's.
I haven't been paddling in long time but just pulled out my Magnum and then saw this post while trying to find out what happened to Pat.
I worked for Pat at his shop in Stoughton WI.
and remember Glen at least by name and I think I helped Pat build a super light weight Reverie for him.
I also helped him with his video on freestyle paddling, the opening shot of him in beat up aluminum canoe (which I borrowed from neighbor) and a shovel as a paddle we're filmed at my old place and I'm at the helm of 2 canoes made into a catamaran to film from.
Later when he wasn't so interested in building the Magnum series I had the molds and tried my hand for very short time building some but lost my shop space.
Then when Pat went to Hilton Head he flew me down to see about running the shop building the Cues (paddles)(carbon fiber).
I had a Cue that Pat sent me along with one I sold for him along with an Andante, but mine was too long and sent back but never was replaced.
We had a falling out when I made decision not to move to Hilton Head.
He sent someone to get molds but I was able to keep a Magnum, which is somewhere in Wisconsin last I knew, as I lost my storage facility after my divorce and moved to Arizona.
He had someone invest some good $ to try and start his shop again down there so they probably retained the molds when it went bust. Wonder where the Cue molds are?
Pat was a great designer and paddler but no business man which was unfortunate. He had his philosophy on how freestyle should be done, as I remember him telling me how they wanted to give out an award in him name but he said No because the Association didn't adhere to his ideas.
I helped him unload a pile of lumber on a Friday and upon returning Monday he had the 1st Magnum plug all shaped out and I was blown away, he must have been at it nonstop all weekend.
Thanks for bringing back memories from that time in my life, I was a young 20 year old around then.
Drew

Thank you so much for sharing. I am glad it brought up great memories for you. Everyone that gives us input on these canoes/designers keeps them alive and makes sure we don’t loose the history. I too, sure would like to know where the paddle molds are? I am hoping to see the video soon with Pat and the shovel. I have a friend with a copy. Talk to you again.

 

[gumpus]

Hello,
Boy does this bring back memories from the Stoughton shop of Pat's.
I haven't been paddling in long time but just pulled out my Magnum and then saw this post while trying to find out what happened to Pat.
I worked for Pat at his shop in Stoughton WI.
and remember Glen at least by name and I think I helped Pat build a super light weight Reverie for him.
I also helped him with his video on freestyle paddling, the opening shot of him in beat up aluminum canoe (which I borrowed from neighbor) and a shovel as a paddle we're filmed at my old place and I'm at the helm of 2 canoes made into a catamaran to film from.
Later when he wasn't so interested in building the Magnum series I had the molds and tried my hand for very short time building some but lost my shop space.
Then when Pat went to Hilton Head he flew me down to see about running the shop building the Cues (paddles)(carbon fiber).
I had a Cue that Pat sent me along with one I sold for him along with an Andante, but mine was too long and sent back but never was replaced.
We had a falling out when I made decision not to move to Hilton Head.
He sent someone to get molds but I was able to keep a Magnum, which is somewhere in Wisconsin last I knew, as I lost my storage facility after my divorce and moved to Arizona.
He had someone invest some good $ to try and start his shop again down there so they probably retained the molds when it went bust. Wonder where the Cue molds are?
Pat was a great designer and paddler but no business man which was unfortunate. He had his philosophy on how freestyle should be done, as I remember him telling me how they wanted to give out an award in him name but he said No because the Association didn't adhere to his ideas.
I helped him unload a pile of lumber on a Friday and upon returning Monday he had the 1st Magnum plug all shaped out and I was blown away, he must have been at it nonstop all weekend.
Thanks for bringing back memories from that time in my life, I was a young 20 year old around then.
Drew

Thank you for posting Drew. I hope you can share more stories about you and Pat and boats and paddles. I've got a copy of the VHS tape...hopefully someone can get it onto YouTube. I'd be curious to hear more about Pat's thinking about paddling/freestyle. I never met Pat in person but I enjoyed our interactions by phone and email. I'm curious about what happened to the tooling for the cues too; I think the cues are still exceptional compared to any other paddle. Maybe you could describe the construction process since you've seen it first hand? That would be cool.

 

[kona]

Hello,
Boy does this bring back memories from the Stoughton shop of Pat's.
I haven't been paddling in long time but just pulled out my Magnum and then saw this post while trying to find out what happened to Pat.
I worked for Pat at his shop in Stoughton WI.
and remember Glen at least by name and I think I helped Pat build a super light weight Reverie for him.
I also helped him with his video on freestyle paddling, the opening shot of him in beat up aluminum canoe (which I borrowed from neighbor) and a shovel as a paddle we're filmed at my old place and I'm at the helm of 2 canoes made into a catamaran to film from.
Later when he wasn't so interested in building the Magnum series I had the molds and tried my hand for very short time building some but lost my shop space.
Then when Pat went to Hilton Head he flew me down to see about running the shop building the Cues (paddles)(carbon fiber).
I had a Cue that Pat sent me along with one I sold for him along with an Andante, but mine was too long and sent back but never was replaced.
We had a falling out when I made decision not to move to Hilton Head.
He sent someone to get molds but I was able to keep a Magnum, which is somewhere in Wisconsin last I knew, as I lost my storage facility after my divorce and moved to Arizona.
He had someone invest some good $ to try and start his shop again down there so they probably retained the molds when it went bust. Wonder where the Cue molds are?
Pat was a great designer and paddler but no business man which was unfortunate. He had his philosophy on how freestyle should be done, as I remember him telling me how they wanted to give out an award in him name but he said No because the Association didn't adhere to his ideas.
I helped him unload a pile of lumber on a Friday and upon returning Monday he had the 1st Magnum plug all shaped out and I was blown away, he must have been at it nonstop all weekend.
Thanks for bringing back memories from that time in my life, I was a young 20 year old around then.
Drew

@DrewS I second the request from Gumpus.

I'd love to hear anything you might be able to share about the timeline (years for the events you mention) or the process by which the carbon cues were made. I came along later but am fortunate to have some first hand experience with a cue and find them to be beautiful, functional, and generally pretty special. As I look at the thing the construction process is hard to imagine. The painted paddles are almost like an enigma..

I found this but it leaves much to my imagination or speculation: https://web.archive.org/web/20001212233100/http://moorecanoeing.com/cues/constructions.html

Were the blades molded separate? and then the (apparently hollow) shafts, also molded in advance and somehow mated, or molded up around the blades ? Obviously I don't know much about composite molding and manufacturing.

thanks either way.

 

[stevet]

You can use the internet archive to view info about Pat and his philosophy

Sport Canoeing Skills Philosophy - Moore Canoeing School

Owning the skills to get the most from your canoeing equipment is in many ways more important than owning fine equipment. Here we outline exactly what those skills are, so that you can begin to discover the endless variety of motions that they make possible upon the water.

web.archive.org

 

[kona]

@NoelCanoeDad maybe you have the paddle molds too?

 

[gumpus]

You can use the internet archive to view info about Pat and his philosophy

Sport Canoeing Skills Philosophy - Moore Canoeing School

Owning the skills to get the most from your canoeing equipment is in many ways more important than owning fine equipment. Here we outline exactly what those skills are, so that you can begin to discover the endless variety of motions that they make possible upon the water.

web.archive.org

Well Steve that was a fun read. I think I'm a fan of Patrick's partly because he was known to be opinionated and I can relate to that. The only unique thing I see in the write-up is Patrick's stroke terminology (1st degree through 5th degree turns). His use of the six degrees of freedom makes me curious if he was an engineer.

 

[stevet]

May have posted this before…apologies if so.
Mid 80’s I was teaching a FreeStyle class at one of CEW’s Conclave events (Illinois) and Pat showed up for the session. Talk about intimidation!

Back then most people in the Midwest were learning freestyle in touring canoes. I was paddling a Curtis Nomad and Lotus Egret with my better half. It would be a while before DY and Tom MacKenzie and CEW began producing hulls specifically to respond well to FS technique.

Obviously, Pat didn’t stay for the session as he disagreed with much of the terminology that was being developed by the Midwest and Florida groups. He asked who I was to be teaching FS and I think I replied I was just doing what I was asked to do.

He was a marvelous paddler without equal at that time so needless to say I was quite relieved he left early!