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Keep a secret?

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Recently, I took a trip with a friend (both of us in solo boats) down a remote roadless stretch of river that seems to have escaped the attention of those who write guidebooks and Internet trip reports. We were able to find almost zero details about the river prior to the trip, other than flow data and what can be seen on Google Earth.

What we found was a nice surprise, not foretold by any of the little information we were able to glean from locals. We couldn't believe that there was so little known about this stretch of river, given especially how much of it was fun class 2+ with striking views.

It's tempting to go tell others about it, but we have agreed at this point to keep it to ourselves. Not out of selfishness (well, maybe a little ;) ), but more out of a desire to protect it.

But is that protection by obscurity real? Possibly not. As long as the area has no great economic value, I think obscurity may be enough. But what if that situation changes?

What would you do?
 
I'll admit to some bias as I seek out lesser known places and document the experiences on my website (as well as posting the canoe trips here). I do it, in part, hoping that others may find the information useful and plan trips of their own. True, that might lead to over-use of an area but it might also lead to people being aware of the resource and becoming motivated to protect it.

A good example of this is the proposed mining around the BWCA. If not for the canoe traffic in the Superior Nat'l Forest, those mines would have (probably) started operating long ago.

Another is probably the work that @memaquay has done. The routes he's shared with me are certainly not heavily traveled but they actually need some traffic in order to keep them open and keep the areas surrounding the ports from being cut. (at least, that's my understanding of the agreement that he's worked to implement).

There is probably no perfect solution but notoriety is not always a bad thing (especially if access to the area is difficult).
 
I have a similar issue with Atikaki Provintial Park.in Manitoba. There is no good info on the portages there. Northern Tier Scouts have traveled the trails for decades but have pulled out. If some new paddlers do not start using it most of the routes will be lost. My solution has been to share MOST of what I have found. I just keep.a few favorite lakes to myself and chosen friends.
 
Not rivers, but I have made a habit of getting into very remote bushwhack lakes in Ontario (collecting a few per year). In the last three years all but one were lakes that I am confident had no human visitors in many decades. It's fun to go fishing where the fish have never seen a lure.

I do not put info out there on these lakes or my route in, but if specifically asked I would likely share.
 
In the Adirondacks, there are fragmented areas of "wilderness". Some are popular, some are not.
I happen to favor the obscure and intimate waters that are seldom visited, and even less so, paddled.
For those willing to put in the effort, there are plenty of hidden gems, and even some linked routes that are barely recognized.
C'mon over, I'll show you around, but I ain't talking about them here...
 
In the end, someone will build houses all up and down it. I wouldn't worry too much about telling fellow paddlers about it.
 
No way I'd advertise a special secret spot but I might share with a very few select individuals with the caveat of "you can't tell anyone". I learned about one cool spot from someone on this site under the same agreement.

That's where I'm leaning on this. If we can keep it among those who care, that would be great.
 
No, but next time I'm up around Avery I'm going to have to check that out. Hey, there must be a story behind that name and Long Liz Creek just over the ridge.
 
Elisabeth Creek was Richard Creek’s first wife, long legged, dirty blonde, part Sasquatch or wolverine, was hard to tell, under all that dirt & grime. She later moved to what became Crazy Woman Mountains in Montana.
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I enjoyed looking at that list, brought back some memories.

I'll mention one river on that list, as I seriously doubt anybody is going to paddle it, but safety in mind if they did.

The Yuba river from Englebright dam to the hwy 20 bridge. Back in 1990 my friend Kevin and I started flyfishing. Kevin hired a guide for the lower Yuba to fish for steelhead. The guide keyed him in on using a lot of weight and tossing black AP's and a few other flies. Kevin and I fished like that for a year and felt like we did ok with maybe 2-3 small steelhead/resident rainbows landed each per trip.

I fished it one early winter day with a couple of my other friends, one who I will refer to as mooch. It was a typical day dunking the typical flies with the standard results, except for mooch who would repeatedly snag bottom and break off. After yet another snag he switched over to an indicator and borrowed yet another fly, this time a glo-bug, from the group. On his first cast he landed a decent sized fish in the upper teens. On a whim I switched over to a small glo-bug but kept the weight, ala chuck n duck, and I ended up with 12 fish.

When I got home that evening Kevin called and asked how the fishing was, and I told him I caught 12, which he promptly called bs. After filling him in on the secret we decided to head back the following morning. We were about half way up river around noon, between the hwy20 bridge and the narrows when we ran into a guy from team Orvis. Orvis rod, reel, hat, vest, waders, boots and probably a couple tattoos. Orvis asked how we had done and stated he caught a couple on a blah blah blah scientific name, "how about you"? Kevin and I discussed it between ourselves briefly and figured about 70 between us. Orvis just shook his head and walked away, not believing a word we said. Kevin and I ended up with roughly 120 fish that day between us.

We fished like that for about a year before wondering what the water was like up above the narrows. The narrows was the furthest you could hike up river due to a narrow river gorge with towering vertical walls. We started asking around the fly shops and other people we would meet on the river, with everybody telling us there were no fish up there.

We ended up buying a $40 rubber raft to find out. A piece of 3/4" plywood was cut to fit the bottom so we could kneel on it. We paddled across the face of Englebright dam and carried it down the access road to the bottom of the dam. My understanding doing this post 9/11 is highly frowned upon by the local popo. To shorten up the story a bit, we ended up with well over 100 fish each that day.

The warning is about the rapids in the narrows. We didn't have google earth or anything else to scout the river with. We floated down in that little rubber raft and would bail out to fish different good looking water. We had bailed out above a small island to fish but were hesitant to float lower due to a set of rapids and a blind corner. Keving opted to wear both of our life jackets and I would take all fishing gear and try to hike up and around while he floated it. The hike up and around was no joke and took over an hour.

Kevins story. He made it around the corner and went over a small waterfall that filled the raft with water. He then went over another waterfall and was sucked under, caught in the boil. He said it was like being caught in a washing machine full of bubbles and held him for about 30 seconds before he popped to the surface about 100 feet downstream in deep calm water. A short time later the raft popped up next to him. Lucky lucky lucky.

Past the last waterfall the river entered the "narrows", which was narrow, slow and deep for a half mile or so before coming out to the hikeable section, with a great float from there to the hwy20 bridge. We made that float half a dozen times or so but portaged around on the right side (first run we were stuck on the left side) to avoid the falls.

The other warning. On one of our trip through the narrows we were fired upon from somebody high up on the side of the cliffs, with multiple rounds entering the water around our raft. We suspected pot farmers trying to scare us v kill us. There was also a gold claim with dredging in that same section, so?

Kevin and I split ways when he started using drugs. Around that same time, the land along the river was purchased and closed to public access unless you were willing to pay to play. We had a few great years on that river before the changes and landed and incredible number of fish. My last trip was in '95 (30 years ago...wow) when the new owners started kicking people out of the river while brandishing sidearms.
 
@Microtus - you had me scratching my head for a while there because the Yuba in Idaho is a small stream that flows into the middle fork of the Boise near Atlanta, nowhere near highway 20 - and I never heard of that dam. :D

I should have known to look at the Yuba in California. Fun story though.
 
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