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Cedar Strip Basket Case: Advice Sought

Awesome job of repairing what most see as (almost) disposable boats. Every scratch tells a story and that one appears to have lived a long, full life. Thanks for extending that life a bit longer.
Howdy,

Thanks for appreciating the concept of saving the craft for a new/longer life. I think I have finally (at 78) learned the lesson that it is the doing, learning, solving, making mistakes, fixing them and completing a project that is of personal value. When I came home from NAM I was into Mercedes, bought an old one and had it professionally restored. In the end I determined it wasn't my car but that of the restorer. Lesson learned. Thanks for jumping in! Bill
 
In the end I determined it wasn't my car but that of the restorer.
Yep. I know many people that own classic cars. There is a distinct difference between those that did the work themselves and those that paid someone / bought the restored car. Given that you appreciate this difference, you may want to consider building your own stripper. Lots of moral / vicarious support here and a great winter project... I doubt that you'd regret it.
 
Hello Again,

Hopefully I shall finish this darling boat before the summer is over. I'm down to sanding the hull and inside with 220 grit and getting ready to varnish. Couple of dumb questions:
Do any of you roll on the varnish then tip it with a brush?
Do you thin the first coat with mineral spirits?
How do you separate areas to keep your working surface small?
What makes a tac rag a tac rag? Just a clean linen or terry towel? Soaked in ?

In looking to replace the seat material all I see are rattan weaves but while they look pretty, they deteriorate quickly. I am looking for plastic weave replacements but have failed to find on Amazon or ebay. Thoughts?

I'll send pictures whan I have worthy new ones.

As always- Thanks for any input.
Cheers,

Bill C
 
Boar bristle brush, tip with a brush.
No mineral spirits. No small areas. Any clean rag with no lint is a tack rag.
 
I've never gone as fine as 220 so you probably won't want to do it like I do.

After sanding, I wipe the boat down with a dish towel (whatever is hanging by the sink) with a little mineral spirits splashed on it. I then paint the spar varnish (high voc if I can find it) on, straight out of the can, with whatever brush seemed like it was fine-bristled at the dollar store. I try to keep coats thin to prevent runs, I don't generally tip at all and I recoat every 2 hours or so working from one end of the boat to the other using the staple holes as reference lines (no sanding between coats).

I know many roll on the varnish & tip with foam brushes. They get a cleaner job than I do but I just want the UV protection.

The only thing I've used for seats (so far) is paracord.
 
I apply varnish with a 4" foam mini roller, up and down, then side to side to get a nice even coat. Then tip with a foam brush from dry to wet. Work in 2 to 3' sections down one side of the boat and back the other. Work at a good pace and do the tipping before the previous 2-3' start to dry. There will be a little overlap in the center, but that's the scratch zone anyway. Focus on the sides of the canoe, what you'll see when it's on the water, the bottom will take care of itself. The roller and tipping brush will be spent after applying one coat on a hull, so don't bother trying to clean them.

You should be able to get 3 coats on the outside of an average sized canoe with one quart assuming you don't go too heavy, which you shouldn't to avoid runs and sagging. I have used a brush and feel that it is more difficult to get an even coat. One strategy for best results is to do the first two coats with one can, then do the final exterior coat with a new can. A new can of varnish is much nicer to work with that the dregs. The remaining varnish is for the inside.

Spar varnish from different manufacturers is different, with different recommendations. In general I only thin the first layer if I'm applying to raw wood, or if the varnish seems a little thick and never for a final coat. I use McCloskeys and have never felt the need to thin when applying to a hull.

Mark
 
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Dogbrain has got the same procedure as me, it is fast and produces very nice results. I usually roll out two staple sections at a time, around two feet, and I alternate sides to keep a wet edge at the centre. I tip off each new section as I go.

Tac rags - I buy tack cloth at the hardware store, it is cheese cloth like impregnated with a very sticky substance. It will get every last bit of dust off your hull. I don't recommend using any cloth around, most random clothes have dust and particles on them, and they will not pick up the dust on your canoe, but simply move them around.
 
I buy tack cloth at the hardware store, it is cheese cloth like impregnated with a very sticky substance.
Well, how about that? I never knew tack cloth was anything other than terry (or similar) with acetone or mineral spirits on it.

I stopped at the local hardware today and asked about tack cloth (about 1/2 expecting Tim to ask if I'd hit my head). Turns out they had it and it was about $3 a sheet. OK... Not terrible but is it worth it?

As I've recently sanded a canoe and I'm almost ready to varnish, I decided to experiment. I bought one, went home & wiped the canoe down with a clean shop rag splashed with mineral spirits and was pretty pleased... until I wiped it again with the tack cloth.

I should have taken pictures but I didn't. I was, however, impressed by the amount of dust the shop rag method had left behind. Enough so that I returned to the hardware and picked up some foam rollers & a few foam brushes. (might as well take a run at making it pretty)

Hey @BillC, you can probably disregard yesterday's comment. Unless it goes horribly wrong tomorrow, I don't do it that way anymore.
 
I like auto body tack rags. They are about twice the size as the standard ones from the hardware store. Devilbiss is one company. You can get a box of 12 for $20. You can get a couple uses out of one by storing it in a large ziplock when done.

Bob
 
I should have taken pictures but I didn't. I was, however, impressed by the amount of dust the shop rag method had left behind. Enough so that I returned to the hardware and picked up some foam rollers & a few foam brushes. (might as well take a run at making it pretty)
Grasshopper, when you can snatch the tack cloth from my hand, it will be time for you to build the Raven.
 
Does anyone spray?

For me personally I have a LPHV spray gun but I don't have ventilation setup in my shop. The spar urethane most of us are using is slow to cure and I'm guessing it would leave a sticky film on half the shop if sprayed inside without ventilation. I've sprayed some fast curing water based stuff on cabinets and it's not so bad for small projects but even that doesn't take long to fog up the shop. At least it's dry by the time it settles.

Outside always seems to be too hot, too cold, too windy, too rainy, too dark, or too buggy for me to spray.

Alan
 
I've only ever sprayed airless, different machines for different applications/projects. No boats and no marine grade product.
Temps, dust, drafts, humidity. Open time is an issue especially. Ventilation a must along with NIOSH respirators always. But I get that maybe a number of thin coats is unecessary and too much fuss and bother for boat builds. Hand tools and applications always feel good too.
 
Wow! What a wonderful community and response.

I'm not done yet but here's where I am. I sanded with 220 in and out. I vacuumed and wiped the whole boat down with a linen dish cloth. Then, wiped with a clean linen dish cloth soaked in acetone. Clark, my buddy with the shop had given me three small containers of varnish but the tops were not on tight and they sat for three weeks forming jello inside. I put two together, cut 10% with mineral spirits, shook up to see if I could dissolve any of the jello, then poured into a 4 inch roller pan and rolled in and out with a foam roller. I did all of this in the drive way without my mask as it was hot. I'm going to sand down this first coat and then follow Gamma's plan. I'm going to Portland Maine tomorrow and will stop at West Marine. What varnish should I get? Also going to buy their 7 foot pine oars at about $60 apiece unless someone has a better idea. Remember this is a salvage job that I have maybe $200 in so far.

I have found the plastic seating material at HHperkins in North Haven CT. 800-462-6660 info@hhperkins.com

She's not real pretty but she she should be seaworthy. Of all the repairs, I'm most pleased with the rip down the bottom seam that I jacked up from underneath, glued, then held down with 4 gallons of paint. Can't even see it. I'll try to do pictures this weekend when my youngest son, 37, can help me load onto my old Macair.

Thannk you all for your input and no Home Depot did not carry boar hair varnish brushes <-:)

Bill
 
Hey Gamma 1214,

How did it go with the rollers? Did you tip? I just bought Epifanes at West Marine and some of the better 4 inch rollers. Won't get back to the boat until Thursday. All the 7 ft oars I see are super thick and heavy. I know they make light pine ones but the only ones I have seen are like $400 to $500-too rich for me.
 
Not quite sure as to your reference about oars. This rescue is a canoe or a boat? You can find cheap paddles for 30 or 40 bucks.
 
Hey Memaquay,

It is an Adirondack or Maine Guide canoe. I do not know how to tell them apart if there is a true difference. The canoe had no stamps, numbers, or labels on it. Although, I think the guy who originally owned it, bought or built one just like it. I haven't seen the new one on the lake this year. Has three seats with the middle seat for rowing. Has two sets of oar locks mounted amidships. One I guess is for rowing forward and the other astern. OK professional weekend canoeists-who knows?

Bill
 
You are correct Sir. However, most oof those oars weigh a ton and are heavily built-very thick blades. This canoe needs feather light oars likely 7 foot long. Hard to fnd and expensive the ones I've seen.
 
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