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barrel and harness...

In the North there are sik siks.. They will rob you blind.. There are red squirrels. They will rob you blind. There are chipmunks. In Quetico I just opened the barrel to get something and a chipmunk dove in. If you travel in La Verendrye it is very heavily peopled. ( all things being relative in canoe camping areas).. Also there are a LOT of fishermen and while they are not supposed to use canot camping sites sometimes they do. I rejected one site because it was full of fish guts and skin and was a prime bear bait.. ( Oh yes there is bear bait there too..watch where you camp). La V is primarily a hunting park and one of the species hunted is bear. IMO ( only). bears could associate seeing humans as the same as seeing human with gun( and leave quickly!)

I have never used a cooler in the Everglades. We do use the barrel or a wannigan and carry the 200 lbs of water we need for two ( we are typically out for ten to twelve days) in hard sided water jugs.

You got pythons now less raccoons than there used to be. I have some pix of gangs of raccoons running around camp at Rabbit and Hog Keys. Two years ago one swam by us at Oyster Bay Chickee.

Shall we talk about the rats on Pavilion? One was enroute up the side of the barrel as I was getting at dinner. There was also a python in the potty there so I think the rat issue is less. Because of that rat and watching the shadow on my tent ( I was stupid enough to leave the fly off. this is not a good idea in the Everglades..You can get rained on even under a clear sky with dew)

Its not about YOU and YOUR camp hygiene that makes your experience enjoyable. Its about what OTHERS have done before you got there. Of course its up to YOU to leave the camp in a state so that others enjoy it too.. The YOU is a generality! Not an accusation..

I don't carry fresh food in the Everglades either.. Though we are having some clams and red sauce over spaghetti ( its in cans) I haven't experienced blistering hot Florida much. By April I am gone back home

Coolers aren't lighter than a wanigan and when I sit on one I can tell you that the cooler lid doesn'T look that great after(I'm 6'2" and 220lbs lean) the wanigans will support my weight w/o any problems!!
 
I've considered trying barrels so it's interesting to hear the back and forth discussion. One of the barrel options I've been wondering about is the Vittles Vaults. Has anyone any experience with these?
https://vittlesvault.com/products/outback-50/
https://vittlesvault.com/products/outback-80/

These look good.... But small round opening large square can.... Makes it harder to organize and fetch stuff.... One other thing to is in a barrel, you organize the thing when it is standing, then you layout on its side to fit in the canoe then you stand it up to dig in...... In the wanigan, it stays in the same position all the time so stuff stay where you put it!!

But really, I didn't originally started that thread to start a debate, I just wanted to help someone possibly looking for a barre and harness!!!! :rolleyes:
 
But seriously, maybe I don't carry my barrels often enough, or maybe I don't carry them loaded enough, because I don't get the round barrel flat-back discomfort criticism. I suspect the harness makes all the difference.

The 60L loaded with family base camp type foodstuffs is absurdly heavy. My non family trip food choices would be a lot lighter, but I do not need that expansive volume, and it would be awfully tempting to over pack. None the less, that 60L barrel is near useless without a decent harness pack frame design, and I need to work on that.

My main critique of them is a) they weren't made to look anything less attractive than an oversized Smurf Mason jar. Fugly.

They are fugly, although less Smurfy when covered by stickers and reflective tape. They are poly, so hit the barrel surface briefly with a propane torch first if you want stickers or tape to adhere well.

A wrap around pack harness could be made less obtrusive, green or brown or tan, but for something like a food barrel I would prefer it not be too camouflaged.

That blue blob does not bother me much, my boats are plastic or composite, paddles carbon, tent and tarp sil-nylon and I am clad mostly in synthetics. If I were beavertail paddling some wood and canvas classic, clad in wool with traditional gear, a barrel would be an exceedingly ugly wart on the experience.

b) The idiot proof locking clasp/hasp/pissmeoffenoughtomakemegasp thingy needs an upgrade. Or maybe I'm an idiot. There is that possibility.

Blue barrels are not OEM designed for paddler use. An upgrade to some adjustablly tension closer ring would be a wonderful improvement, but is not needed to ship some spice or chemical and dispense the contents. The initial users may open them once, or perhaps a few times. Trippers may open and close them several times a day, and be more finicky about spring ring tension.

I would not want to rule out any possibility, but that ring can be a PITA. If the ring gets, uh, curved off horizontal plane, so that when set it down on a flat surface it is wobble bent up or down, that is a problem.

I need to play with more barrels. There is a sweet spot in that spring ring tension, a happy medium between moderately easy to close and does not leak when tested, and a closure struggle that sees the overlapping sections of ring so tight they do not overlapping very well. If the ring is wobble bent that may be the cause of a closure struggle.

If the ring is still flat, I dunno. When the gasket is aged, compressed or failing the ring becomes too easy to close. That scenario is actually worse, and I would leak test the barrel.

c) The hard plastic flip up handles are solid, but obtrusive. I think I'd much prefer grab handles of floppy rope or webbed belt, either with a soft rubber sleeve for hand comfort.

I agree the handles leave something to be desired. Maybe keep it simple and just pad the existing handles. Split foam pipe insulation would get torn apart in short order. A slit length of garden hose or Tygon tubing taped or glued in place would be more lasting, and more hand kindly.

d) The lid only serves as a lid. I like multipurposes to things.

Without going into extreme measures, playing backwoods snooker across a folding chessboard, the once recessed lids of both our barrels are no longer recessed, but flat, level and padded.

Multipurpose? Two circles of minicel exercise flooring contact cemented in place brought that lid surface up just a hair above the arse groove raised lip.

Much more derriere comfortable as a seat, or, on the short barrels, as a padded ottoman to keep my feet resting above the ankle biters. Make a decent side table too, the leveled minicel surface makes for less of a slick plastic slipperyslide.

Multipurpose? That exercise flooring filler in the lid recess has three little notches carved out, to hold the peg feet on the folding JetBoil stove base. With the feet plugged into those snug notches I would have to knock the whole dang barrel over to upend the stove. Some custom slot or recess reveal could be made to steady hold most small stoves.

Multipurpose? I have not, knock wood, tested this, but if the barrel went for a downriver swim that slab of minicel glued to the lid might help it float higher and more open end upright.

I think of a plastic barrel as akin to a plastic canoe, not outfitted or customized in any way, just a big naked vessel, one OEM designed for tripper food storage, and one that needs some help to be more comfortable and efficient in paddler use.
 
But really, I didn't originally started that thread to start a debate, I just wanted to help someone possibly looking for a barre and harness!!!!

And it could be a bargain for someone looking for a 60L/

Barrels are not contentious in my view. Some folks love them, some hate them. That is one of the wonderful things about the brotherhood of trippers. Our styles range from UL packers to glampers, carbon fiber to wood and canvas, wooden animal tails to carbon Zavs.

Whatever floats your boat, we are all still brethren, or at least second cousins once removed.

These look good.... But small round opening large square can.... Makes it harder to organize and fetch stuff.... One other thing to is in a barrel, you organize the thing when it is standing, then you layout on its side to fit in the canoe then you stand it up to dig in...... In the wanigan, it stays in the same position all the time so stuff stay where you put it!!

I use four stuff bags in our barrels, labeled Breakfast, Dinner, Stove and Cookware, Lunch and Snacks. The next needed meal stuff bag goes on top when repacking the barrel and is usually the first accessible bag on top.

The Curtec barrels are designed as wide necked drums, which helps eliminate the small opening, big barrel conundrum.
 
My stuff bags work like a dream, regardless of their topsy turvy trip inside the blue barrel, and being labelled helps to keep meals organized too. I can't remember the last time any eggs suffered mishap in their cardboard carton. Barrels work well. I highly recommend renting or borrowing one (with harness) if you've not tried one yet. Comparing pros and cons for oneself is best.
If I were to customize these containers I might give the exteriors a pretentious faux wood grain. It might tempt others to wonder if I were tripping with my own Kentucky Bourbon Barrel Ale, or my own Cask of Amontillado. Cool. No?


dang you wanigan lovers. I'm drawing up plans for my own wooden boxes now. (Thanks for the inspiration.)
 
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