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Weather: Was it colder when you were a kid?

This video was typical of the snowplowing on my rural road a15-20 years after this video was made when I was growing upon the shoulder of the Tug Hill Plateau lake effect snow area east of Lake Ontario, NY. In my time we had even larger heavier OShkosh built snowplows, still used in the area today. Those big plows would hit big snow drifts crossing the road, which, like in the video caused them to come to a complete stop, then they would back up for another run to blast through the drifts, in what was called "bucking" to get through the huge snow drifts. Even taller drifts were attacked with giant rotary spinning auger snow blowers literally making open tunnels to open the road, which sometimes struck disabled abandoned vehicles buried under the deep snow covering the road. Making quite the mess of things. There is no youthful exaggeration in ths or several other available Tug Hill snow videos taken at the time.

I haven't seen such heavy snows on the road since the 1960 – early1970’s, possibly because of more frequent efficient plowing on the most vulnerable exposed roads, partially possibly due to temporarily changing weather patterns. But the several extremely heavy lake effect events so far this year may be a return to the old days.

My then future father-in-law was one of those Oshkosh drivers who would get going at 3:00 AM to open the roads for school busses, farmers delivering milk, and people driving to work for the day. He had some interesting stories of his years behind the blades. Sometimes if the heavy snow hit during late in the school say, village residents would open their homes for school kids to spend the night. Our school district was allowed a total of just five "snow days" each year, but it had to be snowing pretty hard in the early morning for that to happen. If more days were needed, we would lose those days from spring break week to make up for lost time.

 
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I'm sure many of you are aware of the Nenana Ice classic in Alaska where people place bets on when the ice will melt in the spring. One interesting side effect of this event is that we have accurate data back to 1917. It makes for an interesting chart:

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As you can see, the ice-out is occurring, on average, about 10 days earlier over the last 100 years. You can also see that in more recent years, early ice-outs are more likely than late ice-outs.

If you break the data into two non-linear trend lines, you get something like this:

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Data is from here:

Nenana Ice Classic: Breaking up is hard to do predictably
 
I've spent the last 35 years or so in the Carolinas. My perception is the max temperature in the summer isn't changing much. However, the 3 warm seasons have gotten longer and the cold part of winter has shrunk to a few weeks a year.

What I worry about is rainfall. It seems it's gotten more sporadic and intense. Hopefully it will stay that way and there won't be a trend of decreased rainfall.
 
Silly question. Climate science is pretty clear: it's warmer.

I'm an old-timer, but before I was, I remember the then old-timers saying it was colder when they were young. They were right.
 
Silly question. Climate science is pretty clear: it's warmer.

I'm an old-timer, but before I was, I remember the then old-timers saying it was colder when they were young. They were right.

Yes. My wife's grandparents had photos of knee deep and deeper snow in Glenn's Ferry Idaho. I've never seen more than an inch of snow there.
 
Here's what I am dealing with tomorrow, very typical for here ever since I was a kid. at least they are measuring it in inches. A couple of weeks ago the warning was for 3-4 feet. This latest snowfall will be on top of that which is already here from before.

Lake Effect Snow Warning

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Buffalo NY
1247 PM EST Sat Jan 25 2025

NYZ006>008-260415-
/O.CON.KBUF.LE.W.0004.250126T0300Z-250127T1100Z/
Oswego-Jefferson-Lewis-
Including the cities of Oswego, Watertown, and Lowville
1247 PM EST Sat Jan 25 2025

...LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS
EVENING TO 6 AM EST MONDAY...

* WHAT...Heavy lake effect snow expected. Total snow accumulations 9
to 18 inches in the most persistent lake snows, with the greatest
amounts across the Tug Hill Plateau. Winds gusting as high as 35
mph may also produce blowing and drifting snow.

* WHERE...The Eastern Lake Ontario Region.

* WHEN...From 10 PM this evening to 6 AM EST Monday.

* IMPACTS...Travel will be very difficult.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Heavy snow will fall in relatively narrow bands. If traveling, be
prepared for rapidly changing road conditions and visibilities.
 
When I consider the question, I think back to my youth growing up a couple blocks off Lake Michigan in SE Wisconsin. I spent every summer day at the beach and my recall is that the warmest the lake got to be was generally in the 60’s. Many days I came home with a tight chest and blue lips from the hours spent in the chilly lake.

Now the lake temperatures in summer (at the shoreline) routinely reach the 70’s, brisk but easily acclimated to. But I notice that, as in my youth, the water temperature maybe 2 feet down is markedly colder than at the surface.
 
Anecdotal comment: Yes I feel/think it was a lot colder in the 1950's - 1970's than it has been in 00's - 20's.

Evidence comment: While the price of heating fuel has done nothing but go up, the amount of fuel (natural gas in my case) consumed has gone down and this is in spite of the fact that my home is now heated equally 24/7 but up until 20 years ago it was unoccupied (with heating reduced) at least 14 hours per day (nobody home).
 
Well take heart, today, our buddy "Phil" has prognosticated that we still have to wait out six more weeks of winter before spring "officially" arrives. A check of the calendar shows there are just six and a half more calendar weeks until the first day of spring. Who would have thunk it, on this day at my camp where I woke up to -22F as my wood stove is still going strong with just enough dry wood left to last until at least March 20, the first day of astronomical spring 2025. It will not be long now before I get to try out my new Blackwater solo canoe.
 
on this day at my camp where I woke up to -22F

That would not be uncommon here on this date but instead I'm lounging on the deck with my dog and cat in 50 degree weather with no snow in site.

I just looked up the top 10 warmest winters in Iowa and 5 of them were set since 2000, including the warmest ever, which was last year. The previous record was set in the 1880's. The 1930's held a couple spots with one in the 20's and one in the 90's.

Alan
 
I just looked up the 10 coldest winters in iowa and only 1 of them was set since 2000. But none of them were set in the 40's, 50's, or 60's.

Alan
 
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