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Oswegatchie River, October 10 and 11th 2024

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I did a spur of the moment trip to the Oswegatchie recently and it was a great time. I planned to spend three nights up there poking around above High Falls. Things didn't go as planned. The last cell phone call I made to my wife was dropped, the last thing I heard her say was "text me tonight." I tried calling back a couple times with no service and couldn't even get a text out. I wanted to tell her that there would be no cell service up there and I wasn't sure my Garmin Inreach was charged and not to worry if she didn't hear from me, but never got a chance. After getting my camp set up I was going to send a message via the Garmin but realized I didn't have it with me. Not wanting my wife to worry for three days I decided it was possible to make it to High Falls and back to the car the next day. Here's how it went.

I got on the water at 2:30 PM. I had my Seliga Tripper, pole and a 72" and a 60" paddle. There was light rain on and off during drive and it was grey and gloomy when I put in. The going was pretty easy paddling and didn't use the pole until the first beaver dam. Most of dams were easy to get over without having to get out of the boat. Some I had to get out of the boat, but they were low enough (maybe a foot) that I could "pop a wheelie" and get far enough up on the dam (to almost the center thwart) where I was able to step right out onto it without having to climb over my gear. There were only about four dams that were too high to attempt to wheelie up on and I had to get over my gear to step off the bow onto the dam. This was made easier by using the pole to keep myself from drifting back away from the dam as I stepped off. To make this easier I had my packs positioned so there was space to put my feet while walking over the packs. I also had to adjust my bow light trim to an even more bow light trim to be able to wheelie as high up on the dam as possible. This was my first time pulling a loaded boat over dams and it was more than twice as hard as doing it with two people.

I wanted to find a campsite by 5:30 and came to #34 which had a lean to on it and decided to stay there. I hadn't stayed in a lean to since the 80's and that was in winter. My most recent experience was stopping to check one out near Paul Smiths that looked like an abandoned homeless camp that I would have never stayed in. This one was nice and clean and I decided to use it and not set up my tent. I was concerned that there may be some habituated creatures at this spot because I presumed it was heavily used. At about 8:00 PM a mouse showed up. He seemed to be on a recon mission checking all the likely p[laces where food might be. I ran him off, but became anxious about being harassed throughout the night. Twenty minutes later I shined a light on my food pack and a mouse jumped out, time to take action. The first thing I did was take the food out of my Duluth pack. It was in a soft sided cooler and a roll top dry bag and I put them in an army duffle bag figuring I'd rather they chew holes in it than the Duluth. Then I took the duffle and stashed it on the ground about a hundred feet away. It worked and the mice never found it.

I still had visions of a hoard of mice going through my gear and walking on my head during the night. I had a mouse walk on my head thirty years ago and I'm still talking about that, I didn't want any more mouse stories. For the first time ever I kept a light on at night. It was pointed at my packs so I could easily check on them for mouse activity through the night. If worse came to worse and I got swarmed my best defense I could come up with was blasting them with my air horn. Luckily it was not a problem.

There was a lot of beaver activity at this spot. Every time I woke up I could hear them chewing. I also heard them vocalizing, dragging branches and splashing around. It was comforting to know that the beavers going about their business and if a bear showed up they would almost certainly slap their tails alerting me that something was going on. I did hear a couple tail slaps but they were far away. It was a very calm night with temps low enough for frost and it seemed like sound was carrying very far. In addition to the chewing, I thought I heard ones stomach groan but wouldn't swear to it, it could have been mine. A little later I'm pretty sure I heard one burp. It definitely wasn't me, and I'm almost positive it had to be a beaver.

I got a cold misty start at 8:00 AM. I decided to use the pole more that day in hopes of making better time. I was glad I had a wood pole, my hands stayed warmer than I thought they would have with temps in the low 30's. The higher and harder to get over dams were in this upper stretch, along with some rocky riffs that took some maneuvering. There were a few drops I poled up where staying high and dry wasn't a given, but all went well. I reached High Falls at 10:30 making it there in a total 5 1/2 hours travel time. I hung out for about an hour enjoying this beautiful place. I checked out the lean to at the falls and found a bag of weed in it. Not wanting it to fall into the wrong hands I took it with me. If it belongs to any of you guys PM me.

I took it easy on the way down, stopping to check out some campsites and enjoy the sunny day. FYI, at campsite 22 there is a spring a short walk from the water. A good place to replenish your drinking water. The rest of the way down went well until the last couple hours when the wind picked up. Luckily I only had to fight it about half the time because of the way the river changed directions. I did have to move my gear around to get a flatter trim to deal with it. I got back to the landing at 4:30, a little over 5 hours travel time, which included a few breaks.

My total travel time was less than 10.5 hours which I thought was pretty good. When I made the decision to get to the falls and back to the car that day I thought the falls were only 11 miles one way. The distance is actually 13.2 miles. I'm not sure I would have tried had I known that. I'm not sure how far I had gone on day one to get to campsite #34, but figured it was about 7 miles. This left me with over 19 miles, about 6 of them upstream and a couple into a stiff wind. I not sure I could have done it without the pole. Another thing that helped on all of the tight turns was my new to me turning technique. This is where I lean into the turn and paddle on the opposite side rather than lean towards my paddle side like I would typically do when heeled over. This enabled me to make the tight turns keeping my momentum going forward with sweeps rather then having to slow down and pivot the boat.

It's a beautiful river to paddle with lots of wildlife and old growth trees. It's just technical enough to keep it interesting but was forgiving too. The hardest part was getting over the beaver dams. I could also see where someone could have a problem with all of the tight turns. As the saying goes, if you take the turns fast enough, you can see the back of your neck. It's a great trip, but I wouldn't want to do it without a pole. Not that it couldn't be done, it just makes it easier.IMG_0653.jpegIMG_0659.jpegIMG_0679.jpegIMG_0686.jpegIMG_0691.jpegIMG_0696.jpegIMG_0699.jpegIMG_0653.jpegIMG_0669.jpegIMG_0667.jpegIMG_0674.jpegIMG_0664.jpegIMG_0659.jpeg
 

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Thanks for a trip down memory lane. I used to do that trip every few years with my students. We'd go in mid-May and usually were able to get in and out before the flies hit. Always a great time.

That's all for now. Take care and until next time...be well.

snapper
 
Thanks for that report. I like those Leanto’s to hang out in for a while but only slept in one once. Too many mice running around all nite and I was up on a cot…haha
I did that trip a few times years ago but don’t remember the beaver dams.
Nice pictures, Thanks again.
 
I figured you probably did this one, in a w/c canoe I bet. I was glad I didn't take a w/c boat on this trip. I would be OK with it with another person along. With one person on each side of the boat they can lift a lot of weight up while sliding it up and over the dam.

Most the dams seemed to be of a temporary nature, judging by how many were in the early stages of construction. They probably get wiped out by high water. I also noticed that the lodges were built high above the level of the water and there were a lot of ground dens dug into the bank at various levels.
 
Time to put a bear can in one of your packs. Even though we can often get away with not properly storing our food, as good stewards of the water and woods, we should be using animal-proof containers especially at established campsites. Furthermore, the benefit of a good night's sleep, assured that your food and packs are safe, outweighs the weight and cumbersomeness of the cans.

As for leantos, I used to enjoy sleeping in them, but the mouse factor just isn't worth it.
 
Time to put a bear can in one of your packs. Even though we can often get away with not properly storing our food, as good stewards of the water and woods, we should be using animal-proof containers especially at established campsites. Furthermore, the benefit of a good night's sleep, assured that your food and packs are safe, outweighs the weight and cumbersomeness of the cans.

As for leantos, I used to enjoy sleeping in them, but the mouse factor just isn't worth it.
That's something I'll have to look into. In the mean time I think stashing the food far enough away from camp so the resident mice can't find it should work. As far as getting a good night sleep goes, you still need to worry about them chewing through your other packs, or even your sleeping bag.

I don't think I'm done with the lentos yet as it didn't turn out to be a problem, but I'm sure my luck will run out sometime.
 
When traveling in the wilderness, I always hang food, toiletries and cooking gear or, if required, store in a bear canister. Our packs are always outside the tent. I’ve never had a problem with just leaving all the zippers open. As long as critters can get in and see there’s nothing there for them, it usually suffices.

The exceptions to this are marmots and porcupines, in my experience. They will chew on sweaty pack straps. In that case, the packs go up the tree as well:
 
I've always used an airtight roll top to store my food and stashed it on the ground away from camp and never had a problem with that. I did use a bear canister in Denali Park back in 84', it was small and heavy. I hope they've gotten better since then.

BTW, I got a great night's sleep that night, like I always do out camping. It was exceptionally blissful though. Every time I woke up I was so comfortable and relaxed I was glad I was awake to enjoy it, and all of the sounds and the view. The reasons I think I was so comfortable were that for one, I was using my wife's -20 down expedition bag so it was plenty warm and roomy, unzipped it was more like a blanket. The other reason was that the floor of the leanto was flat and smooth. No roots, rocks, or ruts to have to sleep around. That's one good thing about the lentos.
 
I did a spur of the moment trip to the Oswegatchie recently and it was a great time. I planned to spend three nights up there poking around above High Falls. Things didn't go as planned. The last cell phone call I made to my wife was dropped, the last thing I heard her say was "text me tonight." I tried calling back a couple times with no service and couldn't even get a text out. I wanted to tell her that there would be no cell service up there and I wasn't sure my Garmin Inreach was charged and not to worry if she didn't hear from me, but never got a chance. After getting my camp set up I was going to send a message via the Garmin but realized I didn't have it with me. Not wanting my wife to worry for three days I decided it was possible to make it to High Falls and back to the car the next day. Here's how it went.

I got on the water at 2:30 PM. I had my Seliga Tripper, pole and a 72" and a 60" paddle. There was light rain on and off during drive and it was grey and gloomy when I put in. The going was pretty easy paddling and didn't use the pole until the first beaver dam. Most of dams were easy to get over without having to get out of the boat. Some I had to get out of the boat, but they were low enough (maybe a foot) that I could "pop a wheelie" and get far enough up on the dam (to almost the center thwart) where I was able to step right out onto it without having to climb over my gear. There were only about four dams that were too high to attempt to wheelie up on and I had to get over my gear to step off the bow onto the dam. This was made easier by using the pole to keep myself from drifting back away from the dam as I stepped off. To make this easier I had my packs positioned so there was space to put my feet while walking over the packs. I also had to adjust my bow light trim to an even more bow light trim to be able to wheelie as high up on the dam as possible. This was my first time pulling a loaded boat over dams and it was more than twice as hard as doing it with two people.

I wanted to find a campsite by 5:30 and came to #34 which had a lean to on it and decided to stay there. I hadn't stayed in a lean to since the 80's and that was in winter. My most recent experience was stopping to check one out near Paul Smiths that looked like an abandoned homeless camp that I would have never stayed in. This one was nice and clean and I decided to use it and not set up my tent. I was concerned that there may be some habituated creatures at this spot because I presumed it was heavily used. At about 8:00 PM a mouse showed up. He seemed to be on a recon mission checking all the likely p[laces where food might be. I ran him off, but became anxious about being harassed throughout the night. Twenty minutes later I shined a light on my food pack and a mouse jumped out, time to take action. The first thing I did was take the food out of my Duluth pack. It was in a soft sided cooler and a roll top dry bag and I put them in an army duffle bag figuring I'd rather they chew holes in it than the Duluth. Then I took the duffle and stashed it on the ground about a hundred feet away. It worked and the mice never found it.

I still had visions of a hoard of mice going through my gear and walking on my head during the night. I had a mouse walk on my head thirty years ago and I'm still talking about that, I didn't want any more mouse stories. For the first time ever I kept a light on at night. It was pointed at my packs so I could easily check on them for mouse activity through the night. If worse came to worse and I got swarmed my best defense I could come up with was blasting them with my air horn. Luckily it was not a problem.

There was a lot of beaver activity at this spot. Every time I woke up I could hear them chewing. I also heard them vocalizing, dragging branches and splashing around. It was comforting to know that the beavers going about their business and if a bear showed up they would almost certainly slap their tails alerting me that something was going on. I did hear a couple tail slaps but they were far away. It was a very calm night with temps low enough for frost and it seemed like sound was carrying very far. In addition to the chewing, I thought I heard ones stomach groan but wouldn't swear to it, it could have been mine. A little later I'm pretty sure I heard one burp. It definitely wasn't me, and I'm almost positive it had to be a beaver.

I got a cold misty start at 8:00 AM. I decided to use the pole more that day in hopes of making better time. I was glad I had a wood pole, my hands stayed warmer than I thought they would have with temps in the low 30's. The higher and harder to get over dams were in this upper stretch, along with some rocky riffs that took some maneuvering. There were a few drops I poled up where staying high and dry wasn't a given, but all went well. I reached High Falls at 10:30 making it there in a total 5 1/2 hours travel time. I hung out for about an hour enjoying this beautiful place. I checked out the lean to at the falls and found a bag of weed in it. Not wanting it to fall into the wrong hands I took it with me. If it belongs to any of you guys PM me.

I took it easy on the way down, stopping to check out some campsites and enjoy the sunny day. FYI, at campsite 22 there is a spring a short walk from the water. A good place to replenish your drinking water. The rest of the way down went well until the last couple hours when the wind picked up. Luckily I only had to fight it about half the time because of the way the river changed directions. I did have to move my gear around to get a flatter trim to deal with it. I got back to the landing at 4:30, a little over 5 hours travel time, which included a few breaks.

My total travel time was less than 10.5 hours which I thought was pretty good. When I made the decision to get to the falls and back to the car that day I thought the falls were only 11 miles one way. The distance is actually 13.2 miles. I'm not sure I would have tried had I known that. I'm not sure how far I had gone on day one to get to campsite #34, but figured it was about 7 miles. This left me with over 19 miles, about 6 of them upstream and a couple into a stiff wind. I not sure I could have done it without the pole. Another thing that helped on all of the tight turns was my new to me turning technique. This is where I lean into the turn and paddle on the opposite side rather than lean towards my paddle side like I would typically do when heeled over. This enabled me to make the tight turns keeping my momentum going forward with sweeps rather then having to slow down and pivot the boat.

It's a beautiful river to paddle with lots of wildlife and old growth trees. It's just technical enough to keep it interesting but was forgiving too. The hardest part was getting over the beaver dams. I could also see where someone could have a problem with all of the tight turns. As the saying goes, if you take the turns fast enough, you can see the back of your neck. It's a great trip, but I wouldn't want to do it without a pole. Not that it couldn't be done, it just makes it easier.View attachment 143847View attachment 143852View attachment 143853View attachment 143854View attachment 143855View attachment 143856View attachment 143857View attachment 143847View attachment 143848View attachment 143849View attachment 143850View attachment 143851View attachment 143852
Thanks for sharing the trip report and photos. In the late 80s and early 90s, I made that trip many times in all three seasons. Each one was memorable and special. My best time on the river was the summer I spent on it as the AFR as I really got to know the river and all the trails and sights that branch off it.
 
Thanks for the report, looked like a very nice trip. I've gotta quit working in the fall. Anyone claim the weed yet, lol?
Thanks for asking Mem. Surprisingly I've had so many PMs from people claiming it was theirs that I don't know who to send it to, and nice try Glenn, but I would have seen your name in the trail register.;) I think I'm just gonna burn it.:cool:
 
Very nice... Looks like you had a great time. Like the mouse story... I carry a couple mousetraps sometimes, when I plan to stay in a lean-to. I will also set figure-4 traps loaded with firewood if I have to. Had one chew a hole through a bandanna once; that was enough.

I was out later that same week, 10-12 OCT, a few miles northeast... weather was slightly better, but way windy.
 
Just got back from the Oz - paddled in Thurs morning and back out Sunday. Just for fun I dusted off the Rockstar which had not been touched in many years. Weather called for Thurs/Fri to be nicer with Sat. overcast with some rain. Figured I would paddle up, fish Sat and roll back Sun. Turns out it was sunny and cold and windy the entire time. Only fished for a bit due to the wind. Nite time was cool - water bottles started freezing. I have been experimenting with mouse preventative in lean-to's because I hate them running over me at nite. Lights placed by the back corners have kept them at bay previously, and it worked again this time.
 
Lovely report and pix, Al.

We'ed rather not sleep with mice in lean-tos because we have enough problem with them in our house.

I not sure I could have done it without the pole.

Wish I had a wood pole. I like your new avatar.

Another thing that helped on all of the tight turns was my new to me turning technique. This is where I lean into the turn and paddle on the opposite side rather than lean towards my paddle side like I would typically do when heeled over.

Have you tried leaning away from turns? That usually works more effectively to pivot (modestly rockered) lake canoes than leaning into a turn. However, I'm not sure of the relative pivoting efficiencies if paddling from your preferred stern position with a light bow.
 
Thanks Glenn.

I too have problems with mice at home. I had one give birth inside of a Duluth pack. I found it while unpacking three days after a trip, so I'm not sure if the mouse was a local or a stow away from the bush. Probably local.

When I said I couldn't have done the trip without the pole I didn't mean the trip in general. I meant getting it done in the short time that I did and with the energy I had.

As far as leaning away from turns, I'm pretty sure that's how I had been doing it for years, if I understand you correctly. When I'm heeled over to the right and paddling on the right all my turns to the left are were leaning away from the turn. Regardless of which way you lean the boat, it will turn easier leaned then if you keep it level side to side. What I gained from carving into the turn was that it let me use the hull as a rudder and got it turning in the direction I want to go with less effort.

I discovered this while paddling from the stern but have experimented doing it from kneeling at the rear thwart and also from the centralized position kneeling under the center thwart, and it works. Even from the centralized position with a flat trim I was able to get the boat carving to the paddle side. With enough lean, I got the boat carving enough that it eliminated the need for the C part at the beginning of the stroke.

I started a thread recently about leaning towards the wind to make it easier to keep your bow from getting pushed around, but the bigger picture is: USING THE FORCE OF THE WATER ON YOUR HULL TO FACILITATE DIRECTIONAL CONTROL. Like in the example above where I used the hull to turn to my paddle side rather than use a correction stroke.
 
Charlie Wilson tuned me on to the outside lean years ago when he worked for Placid Boatworks. Most of my canoes respond well to rapid turning around sharp river bends with this method. Charlie explained it as presenting the shape of a banana with the hull to the water, which carves your canoe around a turn nicely.
 
Charlie Wilson tuned me on to the outside lean years ago when he worked for Placid Boatworks. Most of my canoes respond well to rapid turning around sharp river bends with this method. Charlie explained it as presenting the shape of a banana with the hull to the water, which carves your canoe around a turn nicely.
I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. By "outside turn" do you mean leaning into the turn but away from your paddle side? That's what I'm doing. At any rate I think the more you lean the easier you will turn regardless of which way you lean. Leaning into a turn gives me a better carve. The problem is leaning to one side while paddling on the other.
 
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