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Adding DIY Seat Drops to Northstar Phoenix

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I've had my Northstar Phoenix about 3 weeks and after paddling it six times I decided to try kneeling. It currently has the sitting drops that are 4 1/2 inches, making it too tight to get my feet under while keeping my head over the water. Northstar has kneeling drops that are 2 inches in front and 1 inch in the back. I didn't want to spend money on drops I may not use so I mocked up a set up out of poplar I had on hand.

I removed the sitting drops and used them to make a template:
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Looking at the Northstar kneeling drops online, I sketched a similar profile:
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I cut the poplar piece in half, transferred the template to one and stacked the pieces, using 3/4" brads to secure the pieces for cutting:
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Measuring the hole locations in the gunwales and seat, I found they were different spacing (8" vs 8 1/4"). I marked the gunwale locations on top of the drop (before drilling):
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Then marked the seat hole locations on the bottom of the drop (before drilling):
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I connected the top and bottom hole locations to get the drilling angle:
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I clamped the drop to a piece of wood for securing to the drill press, used a square to ensure the drill line was vertical:
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The holes lined up fairly well but during assembly I found the seat rear crossbraces were too wide and hit the hull before drawing tight to the drop. I cut about 1/4" off each side and I went together after that:
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Completed drops installed. Test sitting, I seem to be able to get my feet in and out fairly well. There is just under 10" of space under the seat. The seat height and angle are comfortable. The next test will be on the water to see if I like the kneeling position for paddling, how long I can sustain it (uncooperative lower legs), and if the new height for sitting feels too unstable to me. If I decide to keep them I'll disassemble them and varnish the drops and seat crossbrace cuts. If I go back to the sitting drops I'll still varnish and add them to the boating stuff collection. If the poplar doesn't hold up over time I'll pick up some walnut and redo them:
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Nicely done! I like to shoot for at least 9" of clearance for my size 10.5 (US) feet. 10" sounds even better. Takes a while to loosen up and get used to kneeling, but the added stability more than makes up for the higher seat position IME.
 
Takes a while to loosen up and get used to kneeling, but the added stability more than makes up for the higher seat position IME.

I agree.

Terrific job of detailing and photographing this project, AB. Thread contributions like this are what make this site an informational resource.

Looking forward to your on-the-water impressions of the new drops, both sitting and kneeling. You really have to give both many hours of practice time. Initial feelings often change or disappear with experience.
 
Well, I finally got around to making a set of drops from walnut. Installed them then put the boat to bed until next spring. I used the first set enough to decide I prefer the kneeling drops so a final finished set seemed in order. I have my templates and may make another set for my father-in-law's Northstar Trillium. 1000006883.jpg1000006884.jpg1000006885.jpg
 
I just got done making kneeling drops for my new Phoenix. I went a bit farther and added shelves on either side of the seat, one having a beverage holder. I was going to try to match the stain of the seat but failed. I can only describe the stain Northstar used as "Baby crap Brown". They must have been trying to make ash look like walnut but it doesn't work. I also couldn't stand how poorly applied the finish was - it's like whoever did it doesn't own sandpaper. It was rough and full of dust nibs. I was flirting with the idea of ordering a Phoenix with wood gunnels but am glad I didn't spend the money after seeing the quality of their woodworking. So I removed the webbing and sanded it all down to bare ash, applied a couple coats of tung oil and several coats of spar varnish, then put on new webbing.

The shelves and cup holder are something I've done on previous canoes. I fish a lot and it gives me a place to set my small tackle box & lures and other miscellaneous stuff. The plastic beverage holder is held in with silicone adhesive. The holes in the shelves are on the same spacing as the holes in the seat so the seat hanger bolts hold them in place.

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I just got done making kneeling drops for my new Phoenix. I went a bit farther and added shelves on either side of the seat, one having a beverage holder. I was going to try to match the stain of the seat but failed. I can only describe the stain Northstar used as "Baby crap Brown". They must have been trying to make ash look like walnut but it doesn't work. I also couldn't stand how poorly applied the finish was - it's like whoever did it doesn't own sandpaper. It was rough and full of dust nibs. I was flirting with the idea of ordering a Phoenix with wood gunnels but am glad I didn't spend the money after seeing the quality of their woodworking. So I removed the webbing and sanded it all down to bare ash, applied a couple coats of tung oil and several coats of spar varnish, then put on new webbing.

The shelves and cup holder are something I've done on previous canoes. I fish a lot and it gives me a place to set my small tackle box & lures and other miscellaneous stuff. The plastic beverage holder is held in with silicone adhesive. The holes in the shelves are on the same spacing as the holes in the seat so the seat hanger bolts hold them in place.

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Nice! Another benefit of those shelves is the elimination of a couple of potential foot entrapments.
 
I went a bit farther and added shelves on either side of the seat, one having a beverage holder.

That's a new outfitting wrinkle to me. Nice work. In the seat shelf world, is it traditional to put the beverage holder on your paddle side or your off-side?
 
That's nicely done. I've never see the shelf idea. It's one of those things that seems so simple and handy that it's surprising it's not commonplace.

Alan
 
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